Behind The Squared Circle
General Discussion => Geekville => Topic started by: SCB on February 28, 2014, 04:28:15 PM
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Off to a good start
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Hey. Does anyone else remember that movie trailer for the Flash that aired about five or six years ago? I promise you I've seen that sucker!!!! It's real to me, dammit!!
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that's an odd pic. his body looks contorted and his head looks gigantic.
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Agreed but still looks good
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Film or TV series?
Sheldon Cooper better have a cameo
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spin off tv show to Arrow
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Just random, not related to this Flash, but Mark Hamill's Trickster is one of my favorite villain performances. This was pre-Joker. And probably inspired by the 60's Batman villains
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwY2jz8ECIw
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Officially picked up for an entire season this fall. Flash and Arrow season 3 will both air in the Fall.
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Teaser trailer
www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnXsnR-2AvU
Actual trailer
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yj0l7iGKh8g
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looks good, so who killed his mom? Professor Zoom?
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That's what's implied.
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Weather Wizard!
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John Wesley Shipp will be playing Barry's dad Henry Allen.
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The first episode leaked online and I watched it.
The pilot was really well done. Very different than Arrow or Smallville, 100 times more fun than Agents of Shield. It didn't waste much time with his origin story and got to the powers right away. The actor is likeable, but a lot of us already knew that during Arrow. The special effects of him running and moving fast came off great.
I'm not feeling Iris as an interesting love interest or soul mate for Barry, but it's just the pilot.
Arrow really took it's time with their storylines and played the long game, so I'm wondering if Zoom is the final villain Barry faces at the end of season 1.
Now I just have to wait til mid October for episode 2...
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Just watched the pilot as well. Agree on every point you have made. It's just really well done on all aspects. Was fun noticing all the references to other DC comics and future issues Flash will be dealing with.
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In that costume his face reminds me of Ryan Serhant from Bravo's Million Dollar Listing: New York.
http://www.bravotv.com/people/ryan-serhant/bio
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Ronnie Raymond (Firestorm) to appear on the 3rd episode. He'll also work in Star Labs and is the fiancee of Caitlin Snow.
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Two cool bits of news
1. There's going to be a two hour crossover between Flash and Arrow during episode 8 of both shows.
2. Flash's costume will become more vibrant and red over time.
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Wentworth Miller (Prison Break) will be Captain Cold.
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Good choice for the role?
Getting Cold right is pretty important, because he's Flash's most iconic Rogue.. His Lex Luthor or Slade Wilson, as far as name recognition goes.
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I'm not sure. Wentworth Miller always plays a likeable person. Is there any anti-hero version of Captain Cold? He did voice Deathstroke on Young Justice. Not a lot to go on as far as his range.
Also confirmed for this season are
Gorilla Grodd
Plastique
Girder
Reverse Flash (obvious)
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Likeable...? Well, it varies.. Generally, he comes across as the "working class" anti hero. Not evil or psychotic or anything. More a guy just doing it to make a living, and doesn't justify what he's doing, but lives by a moral code (No killing women or children, no unneeded violence or property damage...)
He can be a total bastard, or he can be down to earth and relatable.. Depends on the writer.
But him and Wally were pretty much friends.
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Wentworth Miller's Prison Break brother Dominic Purcell cast as Heat Wave.
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Just watched the pilot as well. Agree on every point you have made. It's just really well done on all aspects. Was fun noticing all the references to other DC comics and future issues Flash will be dealing with.
Link, please and thank you.
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No link. Was downloaded via torrents
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Three months ago at that.
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Well it's tonight finally for those of us who didn't watch the pilot over the summer.
And first images of Captain Cold
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I approve. Glad they are going with him having tech and not being a Meta-human like in The New 52
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I could see them having him evolve later into a meta human, but the cold gun is essential at all times.
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I hope they put this on demand
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First glimpse of Zoom/Reverse Flash?
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Well ratings wise the pilot was a success. Highest rated CW premiere since Vampire Diaries in 2009.
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Looks good
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The new World's Finest. :)
I think Flash was the strongest pilot of all the shows.
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Yep, it hit the ground running, no pun intended.
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does anyone really believe that pun wasn't intended? :laugh_mini:
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pretty good show. The last scene filled me with dread though. I hate time travel stories
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Well time travel is the root of Flash's origin in this. The Zoom that kills Barry's mom traveled to the past to do it.
I doubt there's much more to it though, other than who or what Harrison Wells is.
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Well time travel is the root of Flash's origin in this. The Zoom that kills Barry's mom traveled to the past to do it.
I doubt there's much more to it though, other than who or what Harrison Wells is.
Actually, they've said in an interview time travel is a central part of the show, and time will be malleable. We'll see how well they handle it.
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Time Travel has kind of always been a thing with The Flash though. The New 52 exists because of him and the Flashpoint storyline which was time travel.
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Actually, they've said in an interview time travel is a central part of the show, and time will be malleable. We'll see how well they handle it.
Yeah but you'll get plenty of non-time travel stuff with the Rogues week to week. Time travel will probably be the long term theme and eventually bring in Wally and Bart as well if they introduce the Speed Force.
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Do Wally and Bart even exist in the post Nu52 comics? Which one's "Kid Flash"?
Would be kind of neat if they could work in Hal Jordon at some point, although I was always more of a Kyle Rayner fan. Wally West and Kyle Rayner were pretty much OUR generations Flash and Green Lantern, when you think about it.
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Kid Flash is Bart. Wally is about to, if not already, make his Nu52 debut.
I agree wit Wally and Kyle being our generations Flash and GL. Hell, DC did a great job of organically building up Wally to be the Flash in the wake of Barry's sacrifice in Crisis,
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fuck that noise, Hal Jordan is Green Lantern - period :diablo_mini:
I just hope they don't too much time travel bullshit because they will lose me
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fuck that noise, Hal Jordan is Green Lantern - period :diablo_mini:
I just hope they don't too much time travel bullshit because they will lose me
It's usually played pretty sparingly in the comics, and fast and loose when it is.. Kind of like Dr. Who plays it, vs Looper.
Like how Barry was hanging out in the future with Iris, and had some half dozen meetings with Wally after his death.
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Kyle Rayner is my preferred Lantern. Well Alan Scott actually is but that's a whole different type of Lantern XD
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Even Batman knows better then to mess with Alan Scott.
And he messes with just about everyone.
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Well I waited three months for this episode, spoiling myself with the pilot over the summer and it was very satisfying and fun.
This was a great use of a C list villain in Multiplex, exposing Barry's unknown weakness of an unbelievably high metabolism, plus a little strategy to deal with an unlimited army. He's going to need it for Mirror Master one day.
I noticed when Barry is analyzing a crime scene, he has Sherlock analytical vision. I'm good with that. If you're going to steal from show, that's a great one.
Glad all of Barry's friends and allies are all united in making him succeed, kind of a Rocky 2 moment when Adrian finally gave Rocky the okay to fight and here his surrogate father gave him the okay to be the Flash. Caitlin as well. By the way keep name dropping Ronnie Raymond, looking forward to him on the show.
And now the 800 pound gorilla in the room not named Grodd. Harrison Wells wants the Flash to succeed more than anyone else and even knows his superhero name before he has it. It's screaming Zoom and I like it.
Great show so far.
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so a journalist the hero secretly has feelings for is looking for the identity of the
blue and red blur? Interesting
A mentor is a wheelchair. OK
Freak of the week, usually dying.
They're going more the Smallville route than Arrow, but at least Barry isn't a douche
Despite my snarky comments, I like it
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Yeah, Smallville monster of the week is what I thought, too.
Which isn't really a bad concept.
Smallville's biggest problem wasn't their monster factory concept, but simply the writing. And the writer of Flash has a very good rep, so hopefully we get an Arrow success story, and not a Smaville "Well, at least they tried."
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Like I said, my biggest problem with smallville was clark was a douche - he lied to everyone, but God forbid one of his friends tried to keep something private :fr:
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The kid who plays young flashback Barry is also really good.
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Heat Wave and Captain Cold and a Prison Break reunion
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OMG THAT'S AWESOME! ROGUES! :fr:
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CW orders Flash for a full season. 9 additional episodes as of now.
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Another good episode.
Using the Mist, who is a very obscure non-Flash villain was a good idea to once again display Flash's skills and powers, once he overcomes the learning curve. Standard villain of the week stuff, but fun nonetheless.
In traditional Arrow CW fashion, and I mean that in a good way, really taking their time with Firestorm. They've been planting seeds about Ronnie Raymond with Caitlin dropping his name. Now we meet him in a flashback, but that's it for now. I wonder if we're in store for a Dr. Manhattan moment where we see him put himself back together.
Nice moments with Barry's dad. Not sure he knows his son was the Flash in that moment, but based on Detective West knowing about Iris and his boyfriend, a father always knows.
As usual we get another piece of the Harrison Wells mystery. He purposely caused all this, including choosing Barry to get his powers and perhaps inadvertently creating Firestorm later. He needed the Flash to exist I'm assuming so he can exist as whoever he really is. Zoom seems so obvious and feels so right as well or as Wells.
I think next week is the Captain Cold episode plus Felicity crossover, so things pick up fast.
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Gorilla Grodd confirmed for the show.
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Holy crap was that episode good. Wentworth Miller and the writers nailed for Captain Cold
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Decent episode. Should have been better, but not sure how. I think I just had really high expectations since it's Captain Cold of all people.
Captain Cold was good, felt like they should have done more with his cold effects, but I don't know if there's is that much more., without going Mr. Freeze or Blizzard on AOS. I liked that he was a strategist with the cold gun, rather than just a guy who discovered a powerful weapon. Glad he got away at the end was started recruiting others. I like Wentworth Miller as Cold.
I figured Felicity would play a bigger role on Team Flash, but she was kind of just there.
No Harrison Wells evil reveal at the end, instead just being a dick to Cisco.
Election day next week, so next episode in a couple of weeks. Boo.
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They should do more with the gun later. Cold built the gun in the comic and has all sorts of cool settings and what not on it. As he didn't build it in this it's not surprising he doesn't have any yet but they hinted at him starting to tinker with it at the end of the episode.
I'm not sure Wells is an actual villain and isn't just some guy who is making sure Flash comes into existence.
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Jason Rusch, the younger Firestorm cast for the show.
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The 800lb gorilla in the room not named Grodd is Iris being terribly miscast and written. They have no chemistry and we have to uncomfortably watch the writers shoe horn them together. She's a generic Lois Lane/Laurel Lance from season 1 Arrow character.
Other than that, I love what they're doing with Flash's powers. They haven't introduced the idea of the Speed Force yet and treating Barry's powers as pure science. He's even limited by science. I like that he has to ask Cisco and Cat how fast he needs to run to accomplish specific things as opposed to just doing whatever he wants. I imagine if the Speed Force is ever introduced, he could bypass all that and maybe have a Neo from Matrix moment, but I prefer the limitations and learning curves for now.
Clancy Brown in a live action superhero show is huge fan service for me. If he were a little younger, he'd be a great live action Lex just as well as he was the voice in JLA/JLU. Plus now this show or universe has it's own General Ross.
And lastly, live action Grodd. Wow. Rise and Dawn of The Planet of the Apes really raised the bar on intelligent live action apes, so it's going to be really difficult to pull off for me, but I'm excited to see it done.
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Barry should have let her kill that fuck
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500 Proof? Really? Do they even have a clue WTF proof means? So that shot was 250% alcohol? Nitpicking maybe but that was fucking stupid
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Yeah, my eyebrow shot up a bit too.
But they're mad scientist types living in a world of an absolute zero gun (Being sold by some dime store arms merchant, no less), so why not invent something better then pure ethanol? :good_mini:
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Another fun one. Freak of the week, but for purposes of this show, it works.
Girder was a fun villain, school bully with super powers, this universe's Colossus. I liked the Superman punch finish.
Good character work for Eddie finally. If he is a Reverse Flash, he's far from it right now.
Speaking of Reverse Flash, didn't expect to see him at all. I mean I've been assuming it's Harrison Wells this whole time, but the yellow streak was a delight to see comeback. Since that moment was meant for us to think it was Wells, I'm wondering if it really was.
Somehow those young Barry moments are incredibly well done. I like each and every one.
Getting really close to the crossover mid season finales with Arrow and Flash.
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I think Zoom is Thawne based on the images posted earlier in the thread. The guy in the suit is to big and bulky to be Wells but looks like Thawne. Also the fact Thawne IS the original Zoom :P
Wells however I think might be Hunter Zolomon but being played off a bit more like a good guy than normal. He'd still be Reverse Flash but suitless most likely. If you think about it a lot of his actions play are designed to teach and grow Barry which fits right in with the Zoloman character just not quite as evil but still questionable.
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Good episode, not so much the villain or villains, just the story that was told around them with the mystery man Harrison Wells.
We know this is all leading to the Reverse Flash, but still uncertain which one and and whose who. Easy to speculate, but they've done a good job of keeping it extremely vague.
I'm wondering if Wells is waiting for a certain headline in the future newspaper or is Flash supposed to stay missing in the crisis?
Next week we finally get the two part crossover then the mid-season finale with Reverse Flash finally making his debut.
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I like how the crisis happens, after the comics retconned it away.
And how about those names of the victims? Looks like Ronnie Raymond won't ever be Firestorm.
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I like how the crisis happens, after the comics retconned it away.
And how about those names of the victims? Looks like Ronnie Raymond won't ever be Firestorm.
Why wouldn't he? Plenty of people were presumed dead when the particle accelerator explainedexploded. Girder was thought to be dead and turns out he wasn't. He died IN the accelerator itself. Only makes sense he'd come back as Firestorm
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I don't think any of those people are "dead". They're all missing and presumed dead. All Easter Eggs anyway til they show up, if at all.
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I think Zoom is Thawne based on the images posted earlier in the thread. The guy in the suit is to big and bulky to be Wells but looks like Thawne. Also the fact Thawne IS the original Zoom :P
FWIW, they said that was a stunt double in those leaked pics and that when Reverse Flash shows up, his face will be blurred out the same way Flash blurs his around Iris, keeping the mystery alive.
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FWIW, they said that was a stunt double in those leaked pics and that when Reverse Flash shows up, his face will be blurred out the same way Flash blurs his around Iris, keeping the mystery alive.
Even if it's a stunt double it's still to bulky. Stunt doubles are specifically picked to be as similar in look to who they are doubling for. That's all my opinion though
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Why wouldn't he? Plenty of people were presumed dead when the particle accelerator explainedexploded. Girder was thought to be dead and turns out he wasn't. He died IN the accelerator itself. Only makes sense he'd come back as Firestorm
So we'll get Elongated Man, golden age Atom, and Damage? :D
A fan of all three of them, but I never thought they'd make the cut, being pretty niche.
Now, if only we could get Alan Scott, the greatest gl ever.
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So we'll get Elongated Man, golden age Atom, and Damage? :D
A fan of all three of them, but I never thought they'd make the cut, being pretty niche.
Now, if only we could get Alan Scott, the greatest gl ever.
Don't know about Golden Age Atom as we have Ray Palmer over on Arrow.
God I'd love to have Alan Scott. He'd be great to do as well since he has nothing to do with the Corps so it's not a magical ring giving him power. They can make it natural through the reactor accident
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Honestly, the more obscure, the more likely and easier for them to use. Almost every villain on Flash so far has been obscure and they're very creative on how to make them cool.
Big names like Harley Quinn and Blue Beetle were yanked from Arrow.
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So Morena Baccarin is the voice of Wells future computer Gideon. She'll also be on Gotham as Dr. Leslie Tompkins next year when it comes back.
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FIRESTORM BITCHES!
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that was a great episode
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Yes it was and I think it confirms that Thawne is Reverse Flash
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Great episode.
Loved how Arrow is seen as something else entirely from all of Barry's team mates. Wait til they hear about Batman (even though the Arrow is Batman in this universe, for now)
Flash vs Arrow fight was very Batman vs. Superman, although with less powers. Nice mini training session between the two as well. Now that they got the fight out of the way, I'm looking forward to the actual team up we didn't get tonight.
I think they planted the seeds for Eddie becoming the Eobard Thawne Reverse Flash. I don't think it's him in his current state that kills Barry's mother. But in the future he could become him and this is where it started. Maybe he starts that meta human task force and never catches the Flash. But when he finds out Barry and Flash are the same, it pushes him over the edge with his feelings about Iris.
Then again he could still be the red herring for Wells, who Oliver pointed out is off. I assume whoever Wells is, since he's from the future he knows all about the Arrow, but now he knows his secret. Wonder if that will have any repercussions. Either way, we meet the Reverse Flash next week I believe.
They really didn't waste time in the episode towards the end. We saw the mother of Oliver's son, I was waiting for her to call him Conner at some point and Firestorm I did not expect. At first I thought it was Heatwave from the Captain Cold episode earlier, but totally came back to me.
Really liked the boomerang and how dangerous it was, looking forward to Captain Boomerang using it tomorrow night on Arrow.
I don't think Iris still works in this role, the actress anyway. It made it worse when she was a foil for Felicity, who seems to go great with both Ollie and Barry. And I'm not sure the show itself realizes how much more chemistry Barry has with Caitlin than Iris.
Still enjoying Cisco. I think I like him because he's Donatello and Michelangelo in one person. It was great when they were debating Diggle on who would win between the Flash and Arrow. Ultimate nerd fight.
I liked the brief moments between Caitlin and Felicity, the two genius women on opposite shows. I'm sure we'll get a scene on Arrow later this season with Caitlin calling her about Sarah's death.
Alright, off to watch Agents of Shield and excited for Arrow tomorrow night.
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I don't think he's a red herring to distract from Wells. I stand by Wells being Hunter Zoloman Reverse Flash but not in actual suit or anything. Just personality and motivation wise. Thawne is Reverse Flash and killed Barry's mother. Remember that they have stated time travel is part of the show and have already shown it in some regard to Wells (whether he is from the future or not remains to be seen. Could just be future predicting tech he has). As such it's perfectly logical for Thawne to still be Thawne and not Reverse Flash yet but have Reverse Flash show up as they travel through time. Barry himself is present when his Mom dies. You can make out that there are two people fighting in that sequence
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Also one of my friends linked this to me:
http://firestormfan.com/2014/12/02/amell-garber-flash/
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BTW, Cisco is nuts if he thinks that was a draw
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Reverse Flash from trailer clips
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BTW, Cisco is nuts if he thinks that was a draw
He's supposed to be the biased fanboy, I think. ;)
And Arrow kind of had the benefit of "plot armor", if you know what I mean. How many punches did he take there, without even being stunned?
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Yeah Barry heals. Ollie should have been close to dead with internal bleeding.
Also extended trailer for next week. Reverse Flash looks directly at Wells and Eddie, leaving him as a possible future version of either one.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ziaQdyrdEcs
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Well in somewhat epic news for us old school fans of the original Flash TV show, Mark Hamill is going to reprise his role as the Trickster in the second half of the season. He was also the voice of the Trickster in JLU. Pretty awesome.
I know it's unlikely, but I'd love it if he channeled the Joker voice for one moment in the show.
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isn't he a little old for that?
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Well this show is it's own thing. I'm sure they'll remake the Trickster into an older criminal, not the cartoonish one he originally played.
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So they actually revealed who the Reverse Flash is. It's been Wells all along as expected. Well it was always him or Eddie and they teased Eddie right down to the wire with Reverse Flash facing him down and not harming him.
So now, can Wells also be a red herring for...himself? How can he be at two places at the same time? The tachyon. The time time travel. The speed at which he travels. Future Wells and current Wells could be working together. Or it could be future Eddie and current Wells working together. I'll stick with Wells at face value for now.
Reverse Flash himself was done extremely well. The special effects, the small pieces of dialog, his power levels were all on point.
Slow moments in between since this was a weird Christmas episode, but Firestorm delivered in his two scenes.
I liked that they acknowledged the red blur in Barry's mom's death. Wondering if that was Barry or any of the other Flash's trying to help him like Wally or Jay.
Good episode. Slow moments get negated by how helpless everyone seemed next to Reverse Flash, as they are.
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Haven't watched yet but I'm kind of worried
I really really HATE time travel
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Haven't watched yet but I'm kind of worried
I really really HATE time travel
Then Flash is probably not for you. As has been stated his stories revolve around it A LOT.
Still not 100% certain Wells is the full Reverse Flash. I mean, if he is, it's Zoloman like still. I think Eddie is still in the mix with all that.
Firestorm was awesome and having him outright say that name was so awesome
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I think Wells could literally be Eobard Thawne and Eddie is his grandfather. Wells needs that tachyon to build the Cosmic Treadmill and make sure Barry grows up to be a great Flash, so one day Zoom/Reverse Flash can exist.
And like with all time traveling loop holes and paradoxes, how are there two Reverse Flashes working together? I don't know since time travel is complicated and...imaginary.
However when Barry and Reverse Flash were in the football field standing still, there were two different red and yellow lines circling them, who I assume are Flash and Reverse Flash from a different timeline chasing each other since time is relative.
Yeah so if you hate time travel, this isn't your thing, but I can't believe we're watching a Flash tv show about all this.
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Well I didn't know it was going to be about time travel until I started liking it
I haven't watched yet, I'm not going to bail yet - TT can be done well, it's just rare
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That moment though
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I know. Was so epic for such a quick scene
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The Mercury Labs (Max Mercury reference?) woman was played by Amanda Pays from the 90's Flash tv show. She played the same character, Dr. Tina McGee last night as she did on the 90's version, except she was Dr. Wells rival.
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So, how many shows share this universe?
Gotham is isolated, right?
Asking, because I'm wondering just how many shows will be involved in the big Crisis on Infinite Earths crossover they almost certainly have planned. :)
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Just these 2. I wonder if Firestorm could carry one
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Just two and they're leaving Supergirl open to it.
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Firestorm's costume peak
http://comicbook.com/2014/12/11/the-flash-your-first-look-at-the-firestorm-costume/
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No head torch? :)
And on Supergirl, I have a good feeling about her.. So far, Arrow and Flash have been hitting them out of the park with supporting characters. Ray Palmer might actually be more interesting then Ollie.
There's a good chance Supergirl could be the first interesting superperson on TV since Lois and Clark..
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Is firestorm going to be 2 people?
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Is firestorm going to be 2 people?
http://screenrant.com/flash-tv-firestorm-spinoff-actor-martin-stein/
Huh, half expected them to revise Firestorm for a single actor, instead of needing to juggle an actor that spends most of his time off camera. But it looks like they're staying somewhat true to the comics here.
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Actually going to be three people. Ronnie Raymond the Classic version and Jason Rusch the new younger version I think will be who we see physically.
Stein I think will just exist inside the Firestorm Matrix as their scientific advisor.
That's the difference between Firestorm and guys like Human Torch and Pyro. He deals his use of powers with science.
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Flash officially gets a season 2. No surprise, but good to know it's in the bag.
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Spartacus himself, Liam Mcintyre, joins the cast as the second Weather Wizard.
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Strong return for the show.
I love that they made Captain Cold a thinking man's villain. He's not just some guy firing a cold gun, he thinks everything far ahead instead of just being evil. Really nice dynamic between he and Heatwave in their prison break reunion.
If I had to guess, I think he taught himself how to make the cold gun, rather than keep stealing it from Cisco every time. I was really happy they got away at the end like that with his sister.
Another subtle moment I enjoyed was Wells wanting to get up and save the Flash between those drone training sessions. This just drives home that he needs to Flash.
Also like the fun side stuff of him using his powers to clean up the house. Wish there were more scenes of him eating ten pizza boxes or something.
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Uh, ok now I'm really confused. Wells is a speedster. That is now confirmed. Is he actually the Reverse Flash though? All the signs are pointing to yes now but it seems too obvious. I'm starting to come around to the thought people had early on that he IS BARRY from the future. Joe did research and pointed out that Wells didn't show up with a lab until AFTER Nora died. Wells is REALLY concerned in getting Barry trained and keeping him safe. He also has future tech and is concerned with a headline about The Flash missing.
I think what's happened was he followed Reverse Flash back in time to protect his Mom. In the process he failed and also got trapped here as he no longer had the energy to go through time. So instead he set up a lab to fix that issue. In the process he realized he is the cause for the accident that gave him his powers so he continued on that course and has now decided to mentor himself in the hopes of fixing the future. He is also still trying to get back to the future and wanted the Tachyon machine to help power himself up. They did specifically state that theoretically Tachyon's could assist with time travel. I think the reason he's using a Reverse Flash Suit is because Barry recognizes it from his childhood as evil so he's using it as a catalyst for the training.
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Wells is probably 10 years older than Barry, 15 at most, so it'd be a giant stretch if the two look NOTHING alike. It's not like Wells is in his 70's, he's a pretty young guy, even next to Barry. Plus he's a murderer. Barry will never be a something like that in the future.
I've seen this theory generally online where people refuse to believe he's the Reverse Flash despite all the evidence because it makes too much sense and they need a twist like Wells is Barry from the future with a different face.
Plus him being protective of Barry is somewhat consistent with him really being Eobard Thawne. He worshiped Barry Allen as a hero. Barry's mom needed to die to motivate Barry to become a great hero one day, driven by his mother's murder and clearing his dad's name before getting his powers.
Eddie isn't intelligent enough to be the Reverse Flash we saw, so I'm still thinking he's Eobard's grandfather and possibly a different Reverse Flash one day. I don't think they're simultaneously using Zolomon and Thawne at the same time because it'd be very confusing to casual fans.
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Good episode. With villains like Peeka-Boo and Multiplex earlier in the season, I'm looking forward to Mirror Master one day. They're probably waiting for Flash evolve his powers a bit more, phase through objects.
I think they showed Barry using those spinning hands from the comics and cartoon though.
Very CW moments tonight with Barry and the girls, but done well. I liked that they simultaneously teased Barry and Caitlin while introducing Wally's future wife and looking past Iris.
And of course solid teaser ending with Grodd.
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Good episode. With villains like Peeka-Boo and Multiplex earlier in the season, I'm looking forward to Mirror Master one day. They're probably waiting for Flash evolve his powers a bit more, phase through objects.
I think they showed Barry using those spinning hands from the comics and cartoon though.
Very CW moments tonight with Barry and the girls, but done well. I liked that they simultaneously teased Barry and Caitlin while introducing Wally's future wife and looking past Iris.
And of course solid teaser ending with Grodd.
Linda being introduced was amazing. I marked out hard. Yea, the opening showed him learning that he can vibrate objects. Perfect timing. He just got done dealing with a villain that used vibrations which has sparked the idea in him. They really mad Cisco look stupid though. He's clearly read Steinman's book on transmutation but couldn't put two and two together....
Grodd....OMG Grodd. My girlfriend doesn't know comics but loves these shows and loves seeing my reactions and learning extra info from me. She rememberd Grodd being brought up twice earlier and got a little excited. Asked me what is up with this "Gorilla Grodd". Simplest explanation. Planet of the Apes. Her response..."uh oh, that's not good"
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Damn that was good. I said the same thing about Arrow last week and this felt the same, while giving us a very different show.
This was a Firestorm origin episode and they made him pretty awesome while simultaneously developing Martin Stein as a separate character in Ronnie Raymond's younger body. I was convinced that wasn't Ronnie speaking and enjoyed the Martin Stein side of the character.
For television budgets, those were some good special effects for Firestorm and a nice cliffhanger, making me wonder, if Ronnie and Martin do split apart, what would that even look like.
I was surprised the CW love moments worked so well with Barry, Linda, and Iris. It wasn't cheesy and actually felt good watching Barry enjoy being a superhero, giving him the confidence to be around a new girl. And I liked him standing up to Iris's BS and sabotage. Guys like Batman, Spider-Man, and even Arrow treat their superhero job as a curse, but Barry loves it and in a way helps him live a better social life.
And lastly, I loved the Cisco/Detective West side story investigating the murder of Barry's mom. The mirror thing was out there, but with everything else on this show, not that far fetched, but the results of the blood test was pretty awesome. The Reverse Flash wasn't Harrison Wells, which is cool because it means another one is out there fighting Barry in another timeline. And future Barry was there as well.
Yeah loving where this show is going.
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Damn that was good. I said the same thing about Arrow last week and this felt the same, while giving us a very different show.
This was a Firestorm origin episode and they made him pretty awesome while simultaneously developing Martin Stein as a separate character in Ronnie Raymond's younger body. I was convinced that wasn't Ronnie speaking and enjoyed the Martin Stein side of the character.
For television budgets, those were some good special effects for Firestorm and a nice cliffhanger, making me wonder, if Ronnie and Martin do split apart, what would that even look like.
I was surprised the CW love moments worked so well with Barry, Linda, and Iris. It wasn't cheesy and actually felt good watching Barry enjoy being a superhero, giving him the confidence to be around a new girl. And I liked him standing up to Iris's BS and sabotage. Guys like Batman, Spider-Man, and even Arrow treat their superhero job as a curse, but Barry loves it and in a way helps him live a better social life.
And lastly, I loved the Cisco/Detective West side story investigating the murder of Barry's mom. The mirror thing was out there, but with everything else on this show, not that far fetched, but the results of the blood test was pretty awesome. The Reverse Flash wasn't Harrison Wells, which is cool because it means another one is out there fighting Barry in another timeline. And future Barry was there as well.
Yeah loving where this show is going.
The fact that that wasn't Reverse Flash he was fighting really made me giddy. Makes me feel like my proposed theory that Wells is a future Barry might still be correct and he's now trapped in this time frame.
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It's looking that way. Hard to get past the fact he murdered someone in cold blood, but playing Reverse Flash to help current Barry train, and trying to keep him focused on getting faster aren't the acts of an arch enemy..
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One thing though, they ruled out Wells being a match for either sample.
So he couldn't be future Barry. Impulse, maybe?
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Not future Barry with the blood test and based on them looking nothing alike and being not that far in age, it would make no sense.
If Wells isn't the Reverse Flash at the scene of the crime, I'm now leaning towards Eddie. Wells might be the anti-hero Reverse Flash who is intelligent, pragmatic, and in a twisted way does care for Barry, and the other one is a psychotic less intelligent killer like a future Eddie maybe.
I'm curious if we'll ever get a Reverse Flash vs Reverse Flash fight in the future.
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Eddie's the first, right? The one who killed Iris?
Was there ever an "anti hero" Reverse Flash in the comics, or would that be something exclusive to the show? Because as I recall, Zoom I was a cold blooded killer and terrible person, while Zoom II was an insane psychopath..
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Wells is a killer, don't get me wrong. I just think his reasons for helping Barry are more selfish than evil.
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Hunter Zoloman, who I've also theorized Wells might be, is the closest to an anti-hero Reverse Flash. Everything Zoloman does he claims is being done to make Barry a better Flash. Again, something that seems to match up with what Wells is doing.
The fact is there are so many possibilities based on previous comic knowledge that we are drawing from that we could be missing something obvious.
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wait there are 2 reverse flash? I'm so fucking confused
As much as I hate time travel I'm sticking with the show until it gets out of hand, really enjoying it.
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There's two modern Flash's. Barry then later Wally. So there's one Reverse Flash for each of their eras.
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Another great episode.
This really made me care for and like Firestorm. I was never attached to the character in the comics and thought his design was cool, but I love both the individuals and the dynamic between Ronnie and Martin Stein in the show. And the special effects for him have been great. When they said they were leaving town, I really wanted to see more of them and sad to see them go.
Clancy Brown is a great villain or was depending on what happened to him at the end. I'd like to see more of him, maybe as The General. But as a General Ross type character, he was great to see him tackle meta humans and the Flash with his super weapons.
I loved all the time travel talk, including referencing Back To the Future and Terminator. Curious how they approach and handle that.
And phenomenal ending with god, I mean Grodd. Wells is deliciously fun to watch be evil. I was wondering why he'd help Eiling by delivering Stein to him, turns out he just wanted to see how Firestorm worked and could have taken out Eiling any time he wanted. Instead he waited and delivered him to Grodd instead. So far so good. Can't wait to see a full Grodd episode and how they handle him.
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"Not God. GROOODDDDD"
I squealed lol
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Trailer for the next three episodes. Can't wait.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4GyxUYAzJk
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was that jumpy for everyone?
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It also can't help but make you wonder if this is actually a sequel series, since those clearly are pictures of Hamill from the old show. Could just be an Easter Egg I guess.
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It's an Easter Egg for people who know about the old series.
If he doesn't interact with John Wesley Shipp, I riot.
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Trailer for the rest of the season. Watch at your own risk, they give away some major plot elements.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAQn7duY7SM
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Beth from Walking Dead as the Bug Eyed Bandit
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Sup, girl?
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Well this show returned from it's second break guns blazing...holy shit
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The online reaction has been nuts for that ending. Hope the ratings reflect that.
Not surprised he was Eobard Thawne, but him saying it out loud made all the difference in the world. Plus him clarifying that he meant to kill Barry and not his mom and Eddie is a distant relative put a smile on my face. Then killing Cisco with that comic accurate speed hand, wow.
Yeah I knew Cisco couldn't just die like that, but I didn't see Barry time traveling directly after that and un-doing that episode.
That new Weather Wizard who pretty much got buried under all this was pretty awesome and pretty close to killing Joe. And Iris found out Barry was the Flash.
If the next episode is a do-over of that day, I'm wondering how fast he defeats the new Weather Wizard then just misses out on all the Harrison Wells stuff because it's a return of the Rogues with Captain Cold's sister.
Either way, OMG DAT episode!
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That episode was so well crafted that when he killed Cisco we thought it was legit. We completely forgot he is in The Trickster episode later in the season. Girlfriend was practically crying.
Weather Wizard was an after thought in this episode by the end of it all. Everything else, including Barry's weird relationship with Linda/Iris was more important by the mid-point of the episode. Honestly he was brought in just to introduce him again to put him on The Rogue's. It was actually a good episode to do it with. He was back for family revenge so it was a good way to work in the personal family life of Barry/Iris. Did not see her finding out coming. So well done and her reaction was perfect. Still don't like her though and her interactions at the bowling alley didn't help.
The entire point of the episode though...Thawne. HOLY SHIT FUCK BALLS YES! I don't know how that could have been done any better. The name, the attitude, the vibrating hand. He showed up and all I could think was oh shit you are so fucked Cisco. At least you figured it out.
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The episode was ok but I don't like the direction it is heading and the previews actually left me with a sinking feeling.
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Well you've said you don't like Time Travel and we've been saying the entire time it's a major part of The Flash storylines so not to surprised to hear that lol
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I'm hoping they manage to pull it off without sucking
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Forgive me, but to me this show has been dead to you for centuries.
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YES!
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I've been asking that to happen since Hammill was announced. So great
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Poor Barry. He goes from winning the girl of his dreams, to being friendzoned forever because everyone's convinced he's not quite right in the head anymore. :laugh_mini:
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I love how these characters aren't stupid. In most shows they'd be completely oblivious to how evil Wells is. In this one they actually have a sense of foreboding and that somethings wrong. Finally name dropping The Rogues was squee worthy in my book.
Also, Lightening Psychosis..really..they're buying that?
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I love how these characters aren't stupid. In most shows they'd be completely oblivious to how evil Wells is. In this one they actually have a sense of foreboding and that somethings wrong. Finally name dropping The Rogues was squee worthy in my book.
Also, Lightening Psychosis..really..they're buying that?
There's a joke in there somewhere about blindly believing anything a scientist says.
The real suspension of disbelief comes from neither of them googling up everything they could about the condition, like most people do when they learn about a disease.
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This was good, but a typical episode of Flash, which isn't bad at all. A typical episode is usually awesome and they set the bar last week with a season finale quality episode.
Taking out Weather Wizard easily was expected.
I'm glad things with Iris didn't work out. The show did a really smart thing last week with Barry and Iris. They got the whole reveal that he's the Flash and he still having feelings about her out of the way and erased it, at least for now.
Plus Barry was getting too cocky with knowing what was going to happen, glad he was forced to take a step back.
I know he's not for everyone, but I love the campiness Wentworth Miller brings to Captain Cold.
"You're a good brother Cisco"
"I'm sure you're a good sibling too"
"That's debatable"
"The Rogues. Cute."
I think they setup a future episode where the Rogues team up against Reverse Flash based on that mutual respect.
Also really liked them re-visiting the Cisco/Wells scene in a completely different context.
With Barry being suspicious of Wells now, I'm guessing the all star team up episode coming up is when Barry finds out and needs the help of Arrow, Atom, and Firestorm to take him on, maybe.
Tricksters next week. Beyond excited. Hamill, the Star Wars haircut, the Joker voice possibly, the interaction between he and Barry's dad.
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I'm giddy just thinking about next week's episode.
Anyone who doesn't like Wentworth Miller and this show's version of Captain Cold are just wrong. He is amazing in the role and they've written it so well.
The Rogue's taking on Reverse Flash makes sense as they've done it before. Actually if you haven't read it one of the best stories involving villains is about them and deals with it. http://www.amazon.com/Flash-The-Rogues-DC-Comics/dp/1563899507
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It'd be crazy, but I'd love it if they ever did this scene with Cold and any of the Reverse Flashes or Johnny Quick.
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Typing this as I watch:
Since the bombs attached to him, wouldn't it vibrate through the wall for the same reason his suit would?
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That was a fun and unexpected episode.
Mark Hammil was fantastic. Love the Joker/Trickster voice.
There was zero subtlety in those Silence of The Lambs and Star Wars references, but I enjoyed them.
Unmasking in front of his dad wasn't surprising as much as it was expected, but in front of Eddie I never saw coming.
SPEED FORCE! Finally introduced into this universe. The voice acting by Wells during that scene was epic. Whenever he takes of his glasses, you know Reverse Flash ^$@* is about to go down.
It's an interesting dynamic they've setup on the show with Barry, Joe, and Eddie all knowing Wells is the Reverse Flash and and having to work with him til they figure out what to do with him.
Thawne stealing the look of the real Harrison Wells did throw me for a loop, but not sure how significant that was, but it does provide a legit cover for his past if anyone looks into him.
Looks like the show goes on a one week break next week since Flash is out of sync with Arrow's timeline.
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Show was amazing. Hammill nailed it. Speed Force finally introduced. Barry finally vibrates through an object. So much good.
However:
[spoiler]If you watch the rest of the season preview I do believe they spoil some of Arrow as Ollie was wearing a League of Assassins outfit O.o[/spoiler]
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you can't trust previews
How cool was it for Hamill to do Vader's line? LOL
I have to admit, despite the time travel, I'm still enjoying this a lot. More than Arrow even
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If they ever do a straight up live action adaption of Dark Knight Returns, I'd love for Hamill to play the older Joker.
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you can't trust previews
How cool was it for Hamill to do Vader's line? LOL
I have to admit, despite the time travel, I'm still enjoying this a lot. More than Arrow even
Followed the eerily similar to Star Wars music :P
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Even having read most of the comics this season is based on, they keep surprising me with every little new twist and information with the Reverse Flash storyline.
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I'm a few episodes behind, but did they explain how Cisco was able to create those holograms? Or was it just gobbledegook to show off cool holograms?
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From the mirror to replicate freeze frames from Barry's mom's death? That's all the information you get. You just have to take the science in the show at face value, much like Barry's powers.
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Newest trailer from Wonder Con. Pretty major stuff. I can actually take a good guess why a couple of the WTF moments take place, but I won't comment in case it's spoilers and you skip the trailer.
At Wonder Con, they also announced Mirror Master and Dr. Alchemy for next season.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=NojgY48FOHE
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From the mirror to replicate freeze frames from Barry's mom's death? That's all the information you get. You just have to take the science in the show at face value, much like Barry's powers.
Yeah I don't get how a mirror was somehow able to keep photos for 15 years.
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I didn't get why the mirror was still there after 15 years and a new owner
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What keeps me up at night is what ever happened to the hot cougar that lived there. Seems like Barry and Joe can go in and out of the house as they please.
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Finally caught up through the Hamill episode. Love this show, it's probably the best comic based show. Arrow is great, but this has the comic book feel down.
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So this was released yesterday. Honestly it's shit like this that makes me think that all these actors are the coolest people on TV right now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XE_jH2eQl4
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If Ray Palmers spinoff doesn't take, he should stick with Flash. Seeing him and Cisco nerd out was beautiful, and he had good chemistry with the rest of the crew. Felt like he belonged there.
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Every time I see them do an episode on Mercury Labs, I keep thinking that Max Mercury is going to be introduced to the show. They need to figure out a way to have Wally West/Kid Flash on there too -- I want to see them do Legion of Super Heroes but it's hard to do that without Superboy.
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LOSH could work as a pre Superboy gains membership thing. Just have core group of Saturn Girl, Lightning Lad, Cosmic Boy, or something. Make them young, and have them reference Superboy as their inspiration, and maybe throw out the concept of inviting him on board someday (Say, Cisco brings suggests it, and the trio laughs it off initially)
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LOSH could work as a pre Superboy gains membership thing. Just have core group of Saturn Girl, Lightning Lad, Cosmic Boy, or something. Make them young, and have them reference Superboy as their inspiration, and maybe throw out the concept of inviting him on board someday (Say, Cisco brings suggests it, and the trio laughs it off initially)
Yeah -- that could work. If Cisco is alive after this season, I could see one of his future progeny being a founding member of LOSH. The show has already
[spoiler]begun the concept of a character being from the future with Dr. Wells or the Reverse Flash coming from that time period. Maybe as the show opens up more, LOSH could go back in time to chase after Reverse Flash or the criminal that they know as....Professor Zoom.
Then they can do Impulse and maybe have The Flash go back in time to WWII and meet Jay Garrick Flash and reveal that Barry Allen isn't the only one who donned the mantle.[/spoiler]
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And we're back.
Excited for this one since this is the Atom/Felicity crossover.
Ray and Felicity's personalities and overall dynamic work so much better on the Flash since it's already filled with the fun STAR Labs crew. Cisco and Ray are already Nerd Bros. Felicity and Caitlin are the hot nerdy chicks. And based on the ending to Arrow this week, it all but confirms Ray belongs more on Flash than Arrow, going in to the spin off show next year.
Didn't get much of Emily Kinney as the Bug Eyed Bandit this, but it was hard to look past Barry not being able to figure out how to get around the bees with all the various speed powers he's picked up the last few episodes against Weather Wizard and other people. At least they didn't make her sing.
Loved the self awareness of the show that EVERYONE knows Barry is the Flash except Iris. She's still not working for this show, as she's the typical CW archetype girl shoved down our throats like Laurel and Thea previously, who are super annoying and overbearing.
Cisco gaining memories of his murder from a separate timeline was an interesting twist. I'm still hoping Barry travels back to that original timeline, somehow.
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Wow that was fun.
They snuck in another Flash/Arrow crossover under the radar with the B team cop dads teaming up with Cisco and Laurel coming up with The Canary Cry.
There was great story development for Lance with those mini father-to-father pep talks with Joe. Curious to see if this gets followed up on Arrow at all and of course excited to see the Canary Cry.
I loved Cisco geeking out over The Canary. He's a big fan boy and fun to see Laurel not so serious. Everyone on the Flash just comes off better.
The shapeshifter, Everyman, could have been really generic like The Bug Eyed Bandit last week, but he was pretty smart in his shape shifting and overall getting away til the very end. It created a bunch of fun scenarios such as Barry kissing Caitlin, Flash vs. Flash, Eddie going evil, plus turning into a little girl in trouble. Only thing I thought would have happened was him turning into Harrison Wells and teasing that eventual reveal.
I'm enjoying the Eddie/Barry/Flash bro-mance. Actually the second bro-mance in this episode with the cop-dad bro-mance. All good stuff.
And everyone going into Wells' secret hideout was awesome to finish out the episode. Still no idea how it's all going to end.
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I like the casual crossovers, they don't have to be events, just subtle reminders they are in the same world
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Grodd spoiler pic.
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So this is it. This is the episode. Cats out of the bag and the gloves are off. No more dancing around with who knows what. I don't think it could have been put together any better. Only real issue is a minor one near the end involving Iris and Barry
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Curious now why Thawne hates Barry so much. What did Barry do to piss him off so much to cause all this?
That newspaper also zoomed in on "Hawkgirl and Green Arrow" in the text.
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Well because Barry is the reason that his ancestor, Eddie, doesn't get the girl. I'm sure there's some other family related things. That or it's going to do with crazy time travel misguided beliefs like in the comics
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You think Thawne hates Barry because Eddie never got Iris centuries ago? Even Eddie thought this was all about him til Eobard laughed him off at the end of the episode.
Putting aside how petty and small that is, aside, last night Reverse Flash prevented Eddie from proposing to Iris. He wants to prevent that because Barry and Iris belong together. Only reason Eddie ended up with Iris is because Thawne/Wells caused the particle accelerator explosion ahead of time. Iris marrying Eddie disrupts the Thawne lineage and could possibly affect Eobard from existing.
He might want to kill Iris now to prevent Eddie and Iris from having kids.
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Finally the Grodd episode.
Whenever the show lacks Reverse Flash as the main villain, it feels quieter. That worries me when eventually he disappears as the lead villain.
That being said, Grodd was extremely well done. He wasn't even defeated, just mildly inconvenienced. His size combined with his telepathy made him probably Flash's second most formidable villain other than Reverse Flash.
Iris is probably the second worst female on a superhero show behind Barbara on Gotham, but this show addressed all her problems in this episode out in the open and kind of fixed them, depending on how they handle her on Team Flash from this point on. Smallville would drag out stories like this for nearly a decade in real time, but Flash got the love interest knowing the superhero's secret out of the way in season 1.
I loved the seeds they planted with General Eiling. They could do the meta human Hulk like story with him later, but I like him as the General Ross for this show who pops up to team up with Flash as an unlikely ally later. Clancy Brown is just great on superhero shows in general.
And I have no idea where they're going with Eddie. Eobard spilled the beans about Iris never ending up with him and he being the loser of the Thawne lineage, but does that immediately make him evil? Not on this show but we'll see.
Tom Cavanaugh to me has just become a gold mine of villain scenes and monologues to the point of becoming on par with Tom Hiddleston as Loki. I hope he's around forever.
They didn't offer any explanation on how Star Labs goes on without Wells, but they did show us how Team Flash does in Star Labs.
Sad to see the season coming to a close in a couple of weeks.
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I know what you mean about quieter. I walked away from that episode satisfied but as I watched I felt let down. They'd been building to Grodd for awhile and we finally got the episode. He was great. Unfortunately it came AFTER the big Wells/Reverse Flash reveal and with him showing up monologuing throughout the episode it just made me want them to do more with Reverse Flash than Grodd
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Fun episode.
Captain Cold is great. They must love the guy to give him so many episodes and make him the regular on the spin off. Captain Cold's reaction to Barry coming to him for help reminded me of Thor going to Loki in Dark World, "oh you must be desperate if you're coming to me for help"
Everything between Cisco and Golden Glider was fantastic, including people's reaction to them on the show, "wait, you kissed her?!" I just love the way she's portrayed. Missed Heat Wave.
No idea where they're taking Eddie, but they've made him more interesting than Officer Pretty Boy in the start of the season.
Final battle was great, but I have to think it was too easy to defeat Reverse Flash considering how far he thinks ahead. Grodd is still out there and Reverse Flash's plans are pretty well thought out and much like Ultron, he doesn't give them away.
This supposedly takes place before Olliver gets married last week on Arrow. Loved that he used to the nano tech from Atom on Reverse Flash. And Reverse Flash spoils how long he'll live, so no Lazarus Pit and immortality for Olliver.
Firestorm looked fantastic. He needs to get as many episodes as Captain Cold.
Caitlin getting wammied kind of hinted at what she'd be like as Killer Frost. She has bitter feelings towards Cisco and what happened to Ronnie.
Also felt like they might be giving Joe a season 2 love interest with that hot DA.
Curious where they're going in the finale. Looks like Flashpoint.
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I thought the episode was great but was confused about the inclusion of Amell at first when watching the opening credits. Thought the writers forgot their own continuity. Made sense by the end though with him hinting at he's going to need help soon. Also funny they confirm Ollie is a good guy still on the show that isn't his XD Only question is how did he get away from Nanda Parbat to help with that XD
I think losing was his plan
I will never stop praising their Captain Cold. Just perfect
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Just watched this.
Quite the week for Ollie. Beats his own villain, and damn near beats down Barry's. :laugh_mini:
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Forgot there was a Green Lantern reference at Ferris Air.
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Did not see that coming
also, cliffhanger - damn
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Those fucking assholes! How do you end with that?!
Lots of crazy shit and probably one of the best moments in the show near the end there involving a certain someone's helmet ;)
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I missed the helmet
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I watched the finale twice. First time I was disappointed because of my expectations. The actor has been so amazing the entire season, I was rooting for the Reverse Flash the entire time and hoped it would revolve around him, even the ending. That obviously didn't happen, but watching it a second time knowing that, it was a satisfying finale that left me wanting another season.
Loved that they opened right away with Barry/Thawne in the prison. You got to see exactly why people loved this guy. He carried the season on his back as the villain you love to watch. Great performance here. Even though he was erased at the end, we still don't know what future Barry did to him and I think that's a hint that we haven't seen the last of him.
Rest of the episode was basically all the important people in Barry's life giving their advice and saying goodbye. Lot's of good character stuff, especially with Barry's two dads.
And the last ten minutes was the real finale and a lot of fan service - we got to see
- The Flash museum
- Caitlin as Killer Frost
- Jay Garrick's helmet
- Reverse Flash reveals Cisco has powers (Vibe)
- Legends of Tomorrow cameo
Sad to see Reverse Flash erased, but I have to think it can't be that simple. It's a reverse paradox if you will. Reverse Flash went back in time to kill Barry and realized he can't exist without Barry turning into the Flash. So he helps Barry turn into the Flash. With RF gone, how does this version of Flash/Barry exist?
Plus with Eddie's body going into the wormhole, I hope that means the Thawne lineage can still continue. Isn't Impulse part Thawne as well?
Barry running into the wormhole actually has me really excited as the possibilities with that plot device are endless. This season they relied heavily on creating new villains and characters on the particle accelerator accident. Now they can go much further with who or what comes out of that wormhole, including playing with the Multiverse.
They let Killer Frost out of the bag. If they don't want to turn Caitlin bad, they can bring in an alternate version of her for example. Or if they want to keep playing with evil versions of the Flash, bring in Johny Quick from Crime Syndicate. Jay Garrick of course would be awesome, especially if he's Barry's dad in an alternate timeline.
Aside form that, hope to see Mirror Master, Wally, and Impulse at some point. Maybe even Hunter Zolomon later.
And lastly hope Eobard Thawne is a re-occurring character in Barry's life like Loki is for Thor.
Great season.
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I must have missed the Killer Frost moment. Was it when Flash was running through time?
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It's when he first enters the wormhole, there's a handful of random images. I missed it the first time as well, but it's pretty obvious when you see it.
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Jay Garrick and Patty Spivot cast for season 2. Wally and Zoom also announced for next season.
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Michael Ironside cast as Captain Cold's dad and Edge from WWE as Atom Smasher.
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Lone Wolf McQuade reference in the season premiere! :fr:
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And Wells is back. Never woulda guessed that :P
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And Wells is back. Never woulda guessed that :P
He was imprisoned. Not killed.
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And by imprisoned you mean we watched him completely fade out of existence Back to the Future style after Eddie shot himself?
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Wells we saw at the end of the episode is from Earth 2, Jay Garrick's world.
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LOL Yes I'm well aware but it's just nice to see him back. Cavangh is fantastic in that role and I'm not going to be surprised to find out he's Zoom
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And by imprisoned you mean we watched him completely fade out of existence Back to the Future style after Eddie shot himself?
Holy crap I forgot that.
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Wow that was a great character episode.
Loved everything with the Captain Cold family.
Michael Ironside was a great villain. Nice Smallville reunion since he played Lois's dad and Golden Glider her sister.
Still enjoying Wentworth Miller's character work as Captain Cold. They're obviously planting seeds for him to rise to the occasion in Legends of Tomorrow.
I hate when CW forces relationships on us, but Cisco/Golden Glider and Patty/Barry are actually really enjoyable moments. These are fun likable women, unlike the typical CW girls in Thea/Laurel/Iris/last season's Felicity. Caitlin/Jay is fun as well.
Also great character work by Joe. This guy is fantastic. I was kind of dreading the whole Iris's mom storyline, but I'm now realizing it's likely setup to introduce Wally as Iris's brother and Barry's surrogate speedster brother, maybe.
OR! Is Zoom some twisted version of future Wally?
Looks like they're setting up a new Firestorm next week.
The teases with Wells coming back have been fun. I'm guessing the twist will be that this version is genuine and actually one of the good guys since no Thawne behind it.
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No thoughts on Firestorm's return?
Personally, I thought Ronnie was better cast.
Anyways, was thinking: at some point, they HAVE to put Jay Garrick in the drivers seat.. Give him back his powers, and find an excuse to get Barry out of the way for awhile..
They did something similar in the Wally days with Flash "1 million" taking over (Before DC One Million happened.)
The sub was a screwup, so hopefully Jay would be treated better, but it's a natural plot twist that could be interesting. Captain Cold having to come up with new tricks for the guy who's identity he doesn't know, for example.
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Firestorm 2.0 story was fun, as was everyone rallying together to save Stine. I don't think the episode would have held it's own though without that wallop of a ending with the Wally West hint, KING SHARK out of nowhere looking good, even better than Grodd, then Harrison 2.0 Wells shooting him to send us off.
I think the actor that plays Ronnie had other filming commitments and said he'd be back at some point. They did cast Jason Rusch last season, but they felt the actor wasn't right for everything they have planned for Firestorm, going into Legends of Tomorrow next year.
Based on the previews, I think Jay will be the good cop mentor to Wells 2.0's bad cop to Barry.
I'm sure Jay gets his powers back. That's going to be the pay off and the show is great at giving you what you want.
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Earth 2 Harrison Wells is a dick and awesome! So great to have Wells back on the show.
Looks like his daughter from Earth 2 is Jesse Quick, at least the actress cast as her.
Never cared for Dr. Light in the comics, but really cool in live action.
Cisco is dating future Hawkgirl.
Loved the Yin and Yang dynamic of Wells and Jay Garrick.
Why didn't anyone ask who Zoom is when Wells said he created him?
Lots of teasing of Caitlin being Killer Frost one day, at least lots of winking at the audience.
Great episode. Zoom is a beast.
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halfway through last night's.
When I turned it on demand, the phrase "Fast Forward has been disabled" and my son pointed out the humor of that in front of the Flash
How do we know Zoom stole Jay's power and not getting sucked through the portal?
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Right now we're just going on what Jay Garrick is telling us. Zoom is supposedly killing the Flash of every Earth.
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if he can steal powers why bother killing him?
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He's evil.
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Few fun character news
Reverse Flash Eobard Thawne coming back.
Killer Frost finally showing up.
And Robbie Amell coming back as
[spoiler]Deathstorm[/spoiler]
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Wow that was incredible. So many great moments I did not expect.
First five minutes and they already show us Supergirl and other easter eggs.
Fantastic scene with Barry calling his mom. You know Kevin Smith cried :cry:
Loved Killer Frost. They've been teasing this forever and she turned out great as a villain, as well as with evil Ronnie. Nice touch with him locking up Martin Stein long ago.
Also loved evil Cisco with his vibe powers fully realized. Their interaction was great with the Cloud City reference.
Jay Garrick briefly gaining his powers as the Flash was awesome and they found a great use for that old fashioned goofy hat of his.
And Zoom is a beast. He's legitimately scary as a villain. This really left me wanting more, especially with who might be in the iron mask.
Legion Ring
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Henry Allen Flash
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Jonah Hex
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Connor Hawke
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Grodd
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Supergirl
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Dat speed dial
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"What of Zoom wasn't in charge anymore?"
"Yo."
Yeah, lets bad mouth a speedster who could literally be EVERYWHERE. :P
Kind of a waste, though. Reverb was by far one of the most interesting "mirror universe" villains, if not one of the more interesting villains in general.
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Kevin Smith crying confirmed
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And we can count out Earth 2 Barry as Zoom.
Perhaps he's Earth 2 Eddie Thawne?
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Looks like it's Earth 1 Jay.
Calling it now, Barry takes Velocity 9 to defeat Zoom.
Isn't that how Jay matched him on his world?
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I'm expecting a twist somewhere. Being Jay is too obvious but we will have to see.
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They're literally spelling out its Jay, so it's not. The show has more tricks up its sleeves than that.
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Maybe the guy in the mask is Jay?
Or, what if Zoom is related to Jay, without being him? Like how Impulse can create speed force duplicates, that act just like he does.
So, sort of a Sentry =Void thing.
That's why Jay lost his speed. And why he needs Barry's speed. He feeds off it like a vampire..
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Well, this is interesting:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverse-Flash
In DC's Tangent Comics reality, Reverse Flash is an evil holographic duplicate of Lia Nelson (the Flash), created by a sinister government agency. She was charged with negative ionic energy to disperse Flash's photon-based form. However Flash's lightwave powers outmatched Reverse-Flash's and Reverse-Flash was destroyed. This Reverse Flash only appeared in one issue, Tangent Comics: The Flash (December 1997).
Also, this:
Thaddeus Thawne aka Inertia first appeared in Impulse #51, created by Todd DeZago and Mike Wieringo.
Inertia was a clone of Bart Allen. He originally fought Allen when he was Impulse. Later when Bart aged five years after Infinite Crisis and became the Flash, Inertia fought him again. Inertia was responsible for Allen's death and when Wally West returned he took revenge by paralyzing Inertia and putting him in the Flash Museum. During Final Crisis: Rogues' Revenge, he was used by Libra and Zoom to try to get the Rogues to join the new Secret Society. He stole Zoom's powers, called himself Kid Zoom, and was killed by the Rogues, who blamed him for making them kill Bart Allen.
So evil clones are a common enough theme from the comics.
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That Rogues storyline is amazing if you haven't read it btw
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They're literally spelling out its Jay, so it's not. The show has more tricks up its sleeves than that.
I think tonights lesson is, this show doesn't do subtlety. :p
Only question now, is it "our" Jay from the future, an alternate earth Jay, or some kind of clone?
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Well we got Jay as Zoom, presumably the Earth 1 Jay, Hunter Zolomon.
But I suppose it could be Future Jay, and current Earth 2 Jay isn't dead.
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I think tonights lesson is, this show doesn't do subtlety. :p
Only question now, is it "our" Jay from the future, an alternate earth Jay, or some kind of clone?
Sure it does. This is about as subtle as last season's Reverse Flash reveal, not straight forward at all.
It makes sense now that's it's revealed...sort of.
Jay is sick and dying and needs speed to live. Zoom needs speed like a drug addict.
Assuming Zoom is Jay's doppelgänger, they share a similar need biologically. Zoom might be trying to avoid what is happening to Jay.
Still don't know whose in the iron mask, but I think last week he was trying to reveal Zoom's identity.
Does that mean the real Jay Garrick is actually dead? Is there another Jay in the iron mask?
If they can come up with an explanation for all of this, they'll top season 1 with the Reverse Flash mystery and intrigue.
Either Hunter Zolomon is Zoom or Zoom kidnapped him and he's now in the iron mask.
Or Jay has known about Zoom this whole time and has kept it a secret, including Hunter Zolomon not being anyone of significance.
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Lie, or plot hiccup:
Didn't Jay claim Zoom stole his speed? And later change his claim to the Velocity drug being at fault?
I also read an interview recently where the writer claims no one would suspect Jay's the villain, and that the audience would blindly believe everything he says. Since the reveal "just" happened without any details, I'm thinking this is a "red herring" type confirmation Zoom is NOT Earth 2 Jay, and a look alike character instead, but also hasn't been 100% honest with the team..
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Another possibility perhaps...
Eobard Thawne in Earth 1 assumed the identity of Harrison Wells. Maybe the Eobard Thawne of Earth 2 assumed the identity of Jay?
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Lie, or plot hiccup:
Didn't Jay claim Zoom stole his speed? And later change his claim to the Velocity drug being at fault?
I also read an interview recently where the writer claims no one would suspect Jay's the villain, and that the audience would blindly believe everything he says. Since the reveal "just" happened without any details, I'm thinking this is a "red herring" type confirmation Zoom is NOT Earth 2 Jay, and a look alike character instead, but also hasn't been 100% honest with the team..
I think it was more of the fact that he started using Velocity to even be able to compete with Zoom so he metaphorically stole it.
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Another possibility perhaps...
Eobard Thawne in Earth 1 assumed the identity of Harrison Wells. Maybe the Eobard Thawne of Earth 2 assumed the identity of Jay?
Then why are there 2 of them?
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Two Jay's?
Time travel, maybe?
But hey, maybe we're missing the obvious here. Thawne stole a man's look and identity before so why couldn't he do it again? And HE LOST HIS SPEED, so velocity 9 fits his needs perfectly.
Reverse Flash is Jay, and Zoom is... someone else. And the guy in the mask, THAT is the real Jay Garrick.
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When Thorne stole his identity he did it by killing him
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Was that because of the process, or did he just decide to get rid of him?
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The show is pretty good about sticking to source material, while taking liberties to be its own thing. So I'll assume he's still Hunter Zolomon by the end.
I'll leave it up to the show as how and who.
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Was that because of the process, or did he just decide to get rid of him?
I thought it was the process, but I suppose that could have been an assumption on my part
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I thought it was the process, but I suppose that could have been an assumption on my part
According to the wiki, he aged into dust or something.
If this was the comics, it could be speed lending, but so far no one's shown that trick on this show. So probably the device killed him.
Oh well, it was just a theory. And velocity 9 would have been the perfect fix for Reverse Flash's dilemma.
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Why would they go through with the deal?
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Because good guys = dumb usually, I guess.
Zoom could have easily broken his promise and killed Wally, and everyone else.
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The explanation of Earth 1 Jay and Hunter felt like cheating. Yes, that deal was stupid. I was watching for some sort of trick at some point.
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I don't love them making Jay Garrick a bad guy
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or is he not really Jay? Did I miss something?
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So far, it looks like Jay.
Only possible "out" is if the guy in the Iron Mask is the "real" Jay, and the guy who took his place either stole his memories and look (Still not giving up on my Reverse-Flash theory :p ), or they're somehow both Jay, from different timelines.
The timestream duplicate suggests there's some kind of time voodoo going on, as otherwise Jay would be killing himself at some point.. (Yeah right, he "convinced" his duplicate to die. Not likely, as the whole point of this is to save his life at any cost)
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I think the man in the mask is the "real" Jay.
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Is Zoom Jay even human? What's with the black eyes, creepy voice, talk about "the darkness", and ability to maintain speed even when cuffed by a device designed to neuter him?
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Why is this pinned?
Just started watching last night's episode. Barry learns his grandmother's maiden name was Garrick and doesn't blink?
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So re-watching an old Flash episode. So if Flash's Dad is Jay Garrick in another universe, does that mean Jay's Mom was never married since it was her maiden name? Just something to ponder....
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or in that universe husband's take their wives names?
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A universe like that would have already imploded.
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Grant Gustin confirms Flashpoint.
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Tom Felton, aka Draco Malfoy, cast for Season 3. We can only hope for Harry Potter references from Cisco.
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Kid Flash to appear episode 1 along with a mystery speedster in black
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Could that be Papa Allen or whatever his name is now?
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No.
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Looks like the black Flash will be based on The Rival, Jay Garrick's reverse flash from his era.
They said the main villain will be Savitar, another evil speedster from Wally's era.
Black Flash Zoom will also reappear.
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Looks like they are taking this 4 show cross-over very seriously at the CW. I didn't realize how much they had in common in regards to production. There is a minor spoiler about a Flash/Supergirl crossover that takes advantage of one of the actors past roles.
This should be good.
http://screenrant.com/flash-arrow-legends-tomorrow-supergirl-crossover-details/
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Now, a three-hour cohesive crossover is an undertaking like none we have seen on television before – at least in the superhero genre.
Good thing he added that last part because it's been done at least 3 or 4 times I can think of.
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The Shat brought up a good point - how come his clothes and the sidewalk didn't disintegrate ?
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Or the drink he's carrying.
Must he the same reason Hulk's pants are the only thing that doesn't rip when he transforms. ;)
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if he can turn it on and off shooting him in the back might have worked
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Distintigrating bullets without touching his clothes is more then switching it on/off, though. If he can control what it affects, and not just when, he'd probably keep bulletproofing on all the time.
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Is Wally Savitar?
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No. Why would you think that?
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I was asking the same thing. :)
For a few reasons, though nothing solid:
First off, he seemed to know an awful lot about the team. Like he used to be one of them.
It's also funny how he got into Wally's head like he did. Assumed his mothers form. Never did anything quite like that to Barry, so it's not a speed force thing.
Plus, how Savitar harped on how he created himself. Not freed, but CREATED.. He specifically used that word when talking with Barry.
But even if not for any of that, the mere fact alone that Wally was held out as the best hope of stopping Savitar would make me suspicious that he might be him, simply because that"s the kind of twist this show is known for. Wells, "Jay Garrick", so why not Wally?
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yeah a lot of what Dan said, and how Wally was the one that needed to go into the speed force.
So is it someone we know? I stopped reading comics when there was just one Flash LOL
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When they first went to the future, I wondered where Wally was. Then Jessie showed up and I wondered where she was as well. This will be interesting to see how it plays out.I don't think he will be Wally. I agree it would be clever but the prophecy looks like Wally is the one with a fate worse than death, which I thought was Flash all along. I did like how the whole timeline is playing out no matter what they do. Having Flash train Wally to gain speed to save Iris but ending up being be the one to replace him in the Speedforce was genius. Jessie still has a part to play in all of this.
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WTF did you do to the type? LOL :fr:
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Not sure what happened. Cliff notes version:
I don't think it's Wally.
I picked up early on that Wally wasn't there, what about Jessie?
If the Speed Force is living and breathing, why doesn't it kick Wally out?
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I asked that half way through BTW
I wondered why Jessie didn't go with Barry too
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Savitar is using Wally because he's weak.
Wally never earned his mantle. He was handed his powers and costume, by Savitar.
This will be his moment to prove himself as a hero, perhaps.
Unlike past seasons, I don't think it matters who is behind the mask of the evil speedster. They're not trying to make you think he's anyone, unlike with Reverse Flash and Zoom.
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No talk about the Grodd and Gorilla City eps?
Thought they were awesome.
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I wish the gorillas could be a bigger arch. I'm sure it's not cheap but there's just something cool about a telepathic ape.
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the no don't kill him was fucking stupid
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I kept waiting for the mob to shout "HE SPARES HIM. THEY'RE WEAK, WR SHOULD INVAAAADE!"
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That's next season
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So is Savitar a known character on the show? He's claiming Flash took everything from him.
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So is Savitar a known character on the show? He's claiming Flash took everything from him.
Nope, he's not known as anything by a mysterious villain.
But the way time travel works, that doesn't mean Savitar doesn't know them. I have a feeling at some point in the future, Barry meets Savitar again.. Only for the first time from his perspective.
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that was the impression I got
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Anyone watching right now? It would be fucked up for the actor but it would be kind of funny if Barry came out of the speed force 20 years older
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lol.
Don't let the door hit you on the way out, Jesse. She didn't need to hit "not Harrison Wells", being a speedster who would just walk around him at super speed..
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I hated that this episode was a filler with all of the chaos of Iris' pending death but they put the ring on the finger wrinkle back in the timeline. This should be interesting.
Super Girl is a good singer.
It didn't have that Once More With Feeling feel but it was good for what it was.
It's a shame Jessie left, it would have been a little more interesting.
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I liked it
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Never watched Buffy, but remember everyone talking about the musical.
I liked "Super Friend".
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These offshoot episodes can be fun. It's a nice breather when the show is intense and emotional for several weeks.
Apparently Carlos Valdez has a band
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3AP-Q91Rc0
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Couldn't Barry have phased the shrapnel out?
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Barry, you idiot.. He already proved himself untrustworthy, and you still believe he knows anything, or would share it if he did?
Edit: This seems famaliar.. Didn't Arrow have someone survive a serious operation, only to have them die?
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This is how you do padding.
Nothing here really matters, and it's probably creating all sorts of paradox's, but it is pretty neat.
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From the previews, that sounded like Barry speaking. It looks like the theory of Savitar being a displaced Barry Allen time remnant is correct. (Probably the one who disappeared in season 2.)
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At this point while the idea of a barry being savitar is cool I want them to do a russo swerve and have it be eddie thawne.
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I think Ronnie is Savitar. It would certainly explain why Caitlin was so easily swayed. That's the love of her life.
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So Savitar looks like a scrawny Barry Allen / Solomon Grundy. I can't see how they can explain this in a way that gives the fans a pay-off. So far 3 out 3 big baddies have comes from within the group. It seems a little redundant.
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I wonder how far in the future savitar is from. Is it 20 years into the future? 50? It looks like reverse flash was right in episode 1 of this season when he said this time you are the villain.
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So he's coming to change the present so that the future he lives which makes him look undead doesn't happen.
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kind of lame - I'm getting bored
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Is it "future" future, "evil bearded alternate timeline" future, or some time remenant from the future (I guess that would be the same thing as an alt timeline? Isn't that what remenant's are? Versions from a timeline that never happened/was changed?)
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Both Flash and Arrow are overdoing the team as target/revenge storyline. It's getting tiring
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I guess that would be the best description of a remnant Docsavage. I was hoping it would be cecile under the mask because the entire viewing audience would have been like wtf? Or even barry's gf from season 2 that they wrote out the show who now I do not even remember her name.
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I guess that would be the best description of a remnant Docsavage. I was hoping it would be cecile under the mask because the entire viewing audience would have been like wtf? Or even barry's gf from season 2 that they wrote out the show who now I do not even remember her name.
That annoying super cop meta hunter wanna be.
Yeah, forgot all about her. Did she just disappear without explanation? Wiped out with the Flashpoint maybe?
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They wrote her out in season 2 that she received a better job offer in another town. She did have an ending scene where she called the flash for help a few towns over and went he got there it was a false alarm and she just wanted to see him one last time. I think her name was Patty. He told her that he was the flash.
The way they did do the savitar reveal thogh imo was pretty cool even though.
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Patty Spivot. I loved her. Wish they kept her for a full season regular before making Iris his main love interest.
I actually love the evil Barry twist. The season was pretty dull. Now this raises so many questions and no idea what they'll do next.
Best thing for me was Barry figuring it out on his own. Normally he can't think for himself. Team Flash has to baby him every step of the way.
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Can someone please explain the logic of Caitlin turning evil just because she has powers?
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Yeah, that is pretty strange. Isn't something that happened in the comics, afaik.
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The latest episode was one of my favorites of the season. Cisco is doing all he can to try and get caitlyn back to her normal self. I also like that it was explained how savitar came to be future barry (I think the writers did the best explanation it could possibly do imo) The only thing I wonder is what if barry does not try and use time remants to defeat savitar in their future fight. Then savitar should not exist right? There I go thinking with logic again perhaps I gave the writers too much credit or a more likely scenario is savitar is lying and he is the time remant that was used to defeat zoom. They would not bring that up without purpose and it would definitely help explain the face.
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I am wondering what they can do with this tie in. It would seem that if they share the same mental existence, that could be exploited like wiping his memory.
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Wouldn't it have been easier to go back in time to the Dominator invasion, and snatch some tech there?
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Prob more expensive to insert everyone back there since they prob did not have this idea yet on what they needed to stop savitar (as in the writers).
I doubt the show has the balls to let that stand for an entire season.
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Flash was pretty good, I thought.,
I haven't watched many shows where I wonder how they undo what they just did.
What finally happens between Cisco and Frost. The Frost storyline seems a little cheesy, maybe they move on with it.
I liked how they answered the question about where Wally was.
If they could go to Earth 2, couldn't they have gotten Jessie to come back and help?
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I like to imagine Snart was yucking it up with the Legends/Mick something like this:
"So, where did you go?"
"Barry needed me to break into Argus, the most secure facillity oj Earth, and steal some tech to save Iris from an evil speedster. The facility dampens his speed."
Everyone at once: "Why not just put Iris into the speed dampened fortress?"
Mick: "Because Barry's an idiot".
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As for Jesse and Julian not being in the last episode I imagine it was a production budget issue. As for them not putting Iris inside that facility that is a good question lol. I guess Savitar would just disable the power grid allowing himself to go in there and break her out.
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I figured it Flash got in, Savitar would get in.
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I figured it Flash got in, Savitar would get in.
Yeah, but Barry had Snart. Savitar would need evil Legends mirrorverse Snart or something..
(Really though, they should be exploiting the "shared memory" way more then they have been.
Like, hide Iris and don't tell Barry where she is, but give them all these false leads that he THINKS are the real ones (He can't know he's being lied to, so Savitar doesn't know).
Then Savitar can go nuts breaking into an Argus or meta prison, only for the door to slam on the other side and he ending up trapped..
Meanehile, Iris was shrunken down with Atom tech and safely in Cisco's eyeglasses..)
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The Savitar storyline played out differently than I expected.
RIP HG, we hardly knew you.
So is the ending a hint that everything will be reset the way it was supposed to be?
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Not at all. Wally will become the Flash till they figure out how to get him out. That's where the new female scientist comes in who is basically a speed force scientist.
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Savitar said he had such plans for Jesse Quick. Too bad she ran to an other earth and was too scared to stick around and help.
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Savitar said he had such plans for Jesse Quick. Too bad she ran to an other earth and was too scared to stick around and help.
Yeah.
Wonder if the original script called for Jesse taking the Speed Force spot, and something nixed the idea.
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I am disappointed in this episode. It was too quick to resolve Barry's issue.
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Left me feeling they weren't really resolved
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This was a nice transitional episode. I swear they were modeling Hazard after Christen Chenowith. Wally needs a walk about. Joe's gonna be a daddy again.
I am ok with the slow burn with the Thinker.
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Not liking this storyline
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I find it difficult to see how a non-speedster can catch a speedster in mid-action.
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A psychic gorilla stopped him. Why not a super genius?
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Goldberg?
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Well it is not as if he needs to beat lesnars ass for a third time and he needs the paycheck as wwe does not pay out the good money that wcw did.
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Jay and Silent Bob. I did not see that coming.
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worst episode ever
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followed by the best episode of the season. Great fn ending. I guess Iris now has the super power to get stabbed by swords and not even have to stay in the hospital. MArlisse gets hotter every episoode.
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Which episode are you talking about? I'm talking about the one 2 days ago where Barry got Ralph killed by being an insufferable douchebag
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I just finished the latest Flash. Barry comes off as a huge douche in this one. Hey, Ralph's a hero and now he's dead! Thanks Flash for making that opportunity happen.
This season is more irritating than interesting.
I am so confused on what part Wells plays in all of this and what role the new dark matter will play.
Geesh, bring back the Trickster!
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Like I said elsewhere, I'm about fed up with all the CW/DC shows except Black Lightning
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Even LoT?
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Well they redeemed themselves a bit with the finale, but yes. They dragged that story on too long losing at every turn. Plus they are getting too shippy. And I don't love time travel to begin with.
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the episode where barry got ralph killed is imo one of the better episodes because I am tired of the comments in shows where you can not kill a villain then you sink down to their level as if it is better for the villain to rot away in some prison.
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I'm tired of those comments too, but I don't understand how that makes killing Ralph a good thing
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The end game for Ralph was always going to be him getting killed off. I thought it was obvious when he transformed into one of his former nemesis guys like 8 episodes back? It is a way to bring back the true devoe form and neil sandlands back. I also look forward to the actor looking like ralph some to fuck with barry and play mind games with him the same way I enjoyed red kryponite clark back when smallville aired.
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No mention here in the last 2 weeks so I will say I liked captain cold coming in to help Barry 2 weeks ago and enjoyed the marlisse backstory this week and we see her pov on things. Perhaps I am a fool but why did devoe stop using those love tears on her? I remember a few episodes back when devoe was a woman marlisse found out but I thought devoe did something to wear he gave her more tears and then she was back to being under the control of devoe?
I think we know the girl who was at barry and iris wedding and now knocked on the door this week is Barry's and Iris dauhter from the future. What role she plays in the devoe storyline shall be interesting. Devoe is obviously not calculating her arrival. Also if she is from the future has she figured out a way to block the time wreathes or whatever they are called?
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yeah I didn't understand the tears thing either. i wonder if they got new writers
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I remember how the tears came to be it was from one of the bus metas. I just do not know how marlisse tricked devoe. Perhaps it was on the cutting room floor in 1 of the epsiodes to make room for cisco's love story that I do not really care about.
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Been trying to get through this season but got the episode where elastic dude discovered he can take on different forms, and basically gave up. Think I'm done watching this show.
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Imo it gets better but yes some episodes have been god awful filler this year. Also the Ralph character gets pretty annoying sometimes. i still say its better than the direction they took Arrow in but that is not saying much.
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I think they're both going in the same direction, Getting beat every week
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Was a little better this week
Except Barry is kind of dumb thinking Devoe can't hide when he can look like anyone
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Imo it gets better but yes some episodes have been god awful filler this year. Also the Ralph character gets pretty annoying sometimes. i still say its better than the direction they took Arrow in but that is not saying much.
Skipped a few weeks, because of Ralph, and nearly dropped the show.
Posted on another board "I wish Ralph would just die!" Someone else replies "Lol your wish is my command."
Pushing my luck, I followed up with a request to resurrect Snart, but I was over my quota apparently..
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I'd have preferred they kill Barry
Yesterday's show wasn't as bad as the last two
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I did like the last show. I am glad a villain didn't completely turn for once. I like her though, she's one that I wish they would make a regular on the show.
The ending was a little cheesy with the city helping out but whatever.
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If by cheesy you mean ridiculous I completely agree
But the rest of the show was enjoyable
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Barry loses again
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If you are fighting a brain that acts like a super-computer, why would you think one solution might really work?
This seems to stupid.
"Hey, I've got a plan that just might work."
They quit trying to find plans Devoe might not know about or have a second solution to.
Yes, I realize the speedster and Marlyse will save the day most likely but still.. arghghghgh
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I was waiting for Harry to die this whole episode.
They did good Ralph.
I thought it would funny if the speedster was the baby.
When Devoe was gone barely 35 minutes in I was worried something nasty was coming.
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So I guess Savitar was wrong if the cerebro or inhibitor or whatever the fuck they used to stop devoe was coming. Or because Savitar said that they changed history. Or because Savitar is a villain he was lying all along. Either way I guess I will let that part slide. It was as good a finale as could be done imo. I sort of like not knowing who the season 5 villain will outright be after we were told the season 4 villain early on. Gives the writers sometime to get their shit back together. Also too bad marlisse left. Such a piece of art she is with the british accent. Maybe she can go to england and make beautiful babies with julian (does anyone remember him?). Overall this season started off strong but faltered over the final 8 imo. I would have preferred Marlisse stay with Devoe throughout the entire series because she was fine with him killing other random metas but I guess once it was regular humans that is where she drew the line? Kind of weak if you ask me. I will be back for season 5 because I like looking at caitlin and iris and a bit curious at the ending we got.
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Sounds like the daughter is just like her father. A screw up
I'll probably be back, but all 4 arroverse shows are on the bubble with me
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Even LoT???? For me that's the one I'm not in the fence, I'm fully on board
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yeah even that one. Losing every week and pulling it out at the last minute is not interesting to me
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Like I said elsewhere, I'm about fed up with all the CW/DC shows except Black Lightning
You are not alone in this. While I still enjoyed this season, I think Season 2 was overall the best so far. I'll still watch them all even if out of habit.
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I'm tired of those comments too, but I don't understand how that makes killing Ralph a good thing
I always figured Ralph was going to be the "tragic figure" character that suffers greatly, and as such rallies the troops. I also figured he wasn't dying permanently because the character is a regular (albeit not an A-Lister) in the comics.
That said, I think Hartley Sawyer may be the next Jim Carrey.
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Nah, he's a better actor than Carrey who is immensely over rated. In fact, he kind of sucks
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the episode where barry got ralph killed is imo one of the better episodes because I am tired of the comments in shows where you can not kill a villain then you sink down to their level as if it is better for the villain to rot away in some prison.
Depends on the hero, imo.
I liked Superman vs The Elite because it showcased what he stood for. It doesn't matter if it's practical or not, he is the hero who always finds another way.
Someone like Ollie or Castle is a different story, because they were never inspirations in the first place. They're highly flawed characters, who make mistakes and probably CAN't find another way, because they're only human.
On the extreme end of that, you have Tommy Monaghan, and his time with the JLA.
Barry is, imo, one of those inspirational figures.
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Inspirational? He's a douchebag. That was one of the worst episodes IMO for the exact reason Ben says it was good. Kill the bastard. Same thing when grog was rampaging
Daredevil too for that matter
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CW Barry is definitely a douche. :)
What would Ollie have done. I wonder? He goes back and forth on killing.
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Elongated Man is now a regular on the show!
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/flash-promotes-hartley-sawyer-series-155946813.html
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Almost makes me want to keep watching
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This was a rollercoaster of a season. Not in storytelling but just quality.
For every good episode there'd be at least one if not two bad ones. I love how they keep trying to stop him despite the fact he has calculated for everything and knows all the outcomes. So why was he defeated at the end? As the resurrected hologram Thinker he outright states he had planned on and predicted her betrayal and them standing like that so he still hasn't lost. So she just unplugs him and poof. Over. How did he not plan for that...
Furthermore, this is the first season to get their time travel all screwy and wrong. You know from Season 3 they get past the Thinker as Savitar comments on it. You know they live and have kids based on their daughter showing up repeatedly which there was nothing subtle about that being who she was. So where are the the stakes for this season?
The first two seasons were fantastic and while the third season was a dip in quality it was still worth tuning in and never really felt let down for doing such. This season...ugh...Season 4 Episode 5 "Girl's Night Out" is probably the epitome of where this show was going wrong. Fun one off comedy episodes are fine when written well. This wasn't. The whole time I was watching all I could think was "when did this become Supergirl?"
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there were good episodes?
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there were good episodes?
The Elongated Knight Rises was pretty good. As was the episode of Barry helping everyone bust out of prison
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I did like Ralph, which considering the shit way he was treated makes the season even worse