Behind The Squared Circle
General Discussion => Geekville => Topic started by: SCB on March 31, 2015, 09:18:39 AM
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Well that's what we'll call it til they decide on the name.
They've cast Hawkgirl and Rip Hunter today.
Biggest mystery other than what the show will be called is who or what Caity Lotz will be.
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Bringing in Hawkgirl huh...wonder if that means they're going to branch out into the galactic events of their universe.
Yea, the Caity Lotz thing is the oddest thing about all this. Unless she gets Lazarus Pitted and comes back as another character.
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Not really into the whole comic book live action tv genre, but I might give this a watch.
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Rip Hunter?
Will this lead into Booster Gold?
Probably not, but the Ted Kord version of Blue Beetle and Booster Gold are made for tv drama.
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This is following the Agent Carter format. Shorter season, 13 episodes, and will air when Flash and Arrow go on hiatus.
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Apparently this will be called Legends of Tomorrow.
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Synopsis
"When heroes alone are not enough, the world needs legends. Having seen the future, one he will desperately try to prevent from happening, time-traveling rogue Rip Hunter is tasked with assembling a disparate group of both heroes and villains to confront an unstoppable threat – one in which not only is the planet at stake, but all of time itself. Can this ragtag team defeat an immortal threat unlike anything they have ever known?"
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Sounds like Vandal Savage is going to be the big bad of the series.
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White Canary it is.
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Sounds like Vandal Savage is going to be the big bad of the series.
Good call. Vandal Savage confirmed as the villain.
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Ahhhh sold! This is how you do a trailer Supergirl!
www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MubNoWQiSc
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:fr:
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That felt like The Avengers right down to Cap and Thor's "you had to ask" moment
Atom: that's the best Savage can throw at us? We got this thing nailed down.
Captain Cold: why did you say that.
*giant robot foot comes through the roof*
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WOOO! Atom is finally going to shrink.
Also, I haven't seen Arrow yet as it doesn't air till Sunday where I'm at for some reason. Hope this didn't just spoil anything from it for me
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Not really.
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I liked the Vandall Savage character as a kid. Before I developed my distaste for time travel. I'll probably give it a shot, Flash is still pretty good despite it.
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Hawkgirl solo show in development for CW.
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Rumor has it if the show gets additional seasons it'll be a different team each season. Constantine rumored to be part of a potential Season 2.
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Let's not post the epic trailer or anything
www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rgzmQ_vpSo
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So this is looking amazing. Two big things that stood out to me:
1) You hear them clearly say "I've seen Men of Steel die and Dark Knight's Fall". So Batman and Superman are official for the DC TV Universe now I'm guessing so a Supergirl crossover that's rumored is probably true now.
2) To go along with that was that fucking KRYPTONITE that Captain Cold was looking at.
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The first couple minutes of this looks the Timewar. Love it!
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And having the guy who played Rory look very eerily like he could be on Doctor Who.
Is it just me or does the people who play Hawkman and Hawkgirl have very little chemistry?
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This season premiere can be best described as fun. I hope the rest of the show holds up.
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Are you a week behind? Second episode was on last night and pretty good
[spoiler] except they killed hawkman[/spoiler]
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Couldn't find it.
Is it on before 8?
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8 PM EST on channel 7 (ABC)
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CW. Not ABC
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Managed to stream it.
Did not see that coming. Was it planned, or was it decided he just wasn't working out, and his release got worked into the plot?
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Time travel, so of course he'll get better. :)
Ray Palmer can't catch a break. It's not even that he's really that reckless compared to Snart (or Ollie!), but for whatever reason he has terrible luck.
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Thanks Norko
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Thanks Norko
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He's talking to me kiddo
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Sorry Dan, I forget people don't necessarily know everyone's real names
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It's on CW's website too, no need to steal.
This show is best described as fun. It's a Summer Blockbuster movie that is somehow a TV show in January.
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Ray continues to strike out, and Snart keeps pushing his buttons.
I can only see Ray coming through when it really counts, and coming through big. Otherwise, it will look like the writers/producer just doesn't like Atom much (Like writers openly stated they didn't like Rodimus Prime, when asked why they made him look so bad..)
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Maybe its just me, but it seems like its losing steam. I've been losing interest since they went back to the 50's. Just not as exciting as it was in the beginning
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It's hit an miss for me.
Does kind of look like the League of Assassin's was a shark jumping moment.
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this is why I normally don't watch time travel shows. Instead of threatening loved ones so the legends would turn themselves in, why not just go back a little further and kill their moms before they conceived?
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The fact the hunters are responding to time rewriting by rewriting time themselves gives me a headache.
Yeah, lets go wipe out the League of Assassins and all these innocent bystanders. Won't affect the timeline, because so far Time Masters have proven to be omniscent gods of time who get every detail right.
Seriously, Rip Hunter and every other time master are terrible at what they do. Dr. Who would consider this group a Three Stooges comedy show. :)
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Kendra not killing savage was stupid
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Kendra not killing savage was stupid
YES!
My god, yes. If anything, killing him saves the next reincarnation, because there's no way Savage would lift a finger to save the one he ruined.
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Kendra not killing savage was stupid
Agreed.
The 12 year old me would've loved the giant robot parts though.
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It was pretty awesome. Even if Ray's usual mo of wrecking it from the inside probably would have been more effective.
Has comic Ray ever grown? That's more Ant Man's thing, when he becomes Goliath..
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"If we survive this, I may shoot you, you bumbling idiot."
Man, tough episode for Ray. He's always been a schmuck, but this was a new low even for him.
Neat twist. All of the council's fairly hypocrotical decisions make sense now.
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This swerve is not too surprising. We probably should've seen it coming.
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Wanted to wait for Civil War before commenting, but it's pretty obvious [spoiler]Legends doing the giant shrinking man is no accident.
Half expected Ant Man turning into Goliath to wait for Ant Man 2, though.[/spoiler]
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Shit, I was out last night - gonna watch now and see if I can guess the swerve LOL
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No I didn't see it coming
This show has the same problem as the Mentalist. If they don't catch/stop the villain they eventually look like losers and we stop caring about them. If they do, now what?
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And while Kendra had a reason to spare him, Rip's was because, why. To ask for permission first?
How stupid is that? If he just kills he, what's the worst that happens? He can't become a Time Lord anymore?
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I give up. Forget about internal logic or whatever, just enjoy it like you would Gotham.
Vandal Savage is mankinds only hope, because the Time Lords said so. And now we learn they've been... controlling time. The Lords of Time preserve the timeline by manipulating thr !@#$ out of it.
That plot device reveal in general is pretty unnecessary. As if time travel shows weren't confusing enough, it just brings up too many questions.
Ok, so why not control an outcome where Savage isn't a violent murderer despot? And why can't they simply redirect the Thanagarian invasion, so they don't attack Earth? Is it ONLY capable of controlling time travelers, or something? But that's not what they said.. From their words, it implied they were creating outcomes, and not simply redirecting the time ship.
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So, when Kendra asked Savage not to kill Rip's family, he should have said "ok".
That's only the ENTIRE reason he put that group together to stop him.
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Been reading Grant Morrison's run on Animal Man, which is excellent, and came across this scene that's pretty funny after seeing how Rip Hunter acts on the show.
Basically, Animal Man loses his family, and he gets the crazy idea of getting a time machine. So after a few dead ends, he contact Booster Gold and has him get Rip. Of course, Rip Hunter gives him a lecture about how fooling with time is dangerous, the machines are VERY expensive, and they can't just let an amateur hop around time. Then Rip finally asks what he even needs it for.
And Animal Man looks him in the eye and says "The Time Commander and the Lord of Time have teamed up against the Justice League. I need a time machine to track down their base."
And just like that, Rip hands over a machine. Doesn't even check with Booster or the JLA.
I guess Rip Hunter's always been kind of a shmuck, and not just on the tv show. :)
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Well we got our setup for Season Two. Hourman is warning the team not to go on their next adventure.
We also know why they are casting two new regulars for the next season, as Hawkman and Hawkgirl left.
So much for the rumor of a different team each season.
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Not gonna be the same without Snart. :(
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he going back to prison break?
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he going back to prison break?
Yeah, he's back on Prison Break, but he's allegedly agreed to return to Flash as a recurring character.
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Yeah, he's back on Prison Break, but he's allegedly agreed to return to Flash as a recurring character.
Probably the same way he"returned" at the end of the finale.
Huh, like comic Barry. Snart's basically stolen Barry's gig. :)
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Another possibility is he got sucked into some vortex. It's science fiction, it's easy to write him back in.
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That's true.
Think I'd prefer the death to stick, though. Keep the heroic sacrifice as is, and use the ambiguity of time travel to show was he was doing pre Legends.
Thought they never should have brough Barry back for real, too. (Especially when Wally was so much better. :) )
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anyone think the new prison break is gonna last? I never watched the original
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anyone think the new prison break is gonna last? I never watched the original
Neither have I, but my understanding is the new show is a limited series.
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Wentworth Miller is confirmed to be on all the DC shows next season. Not sure how, but he has a nice contract with CW and they seem to value him highly.
Prison Break was a great show, but the last couple of seasons were a major downgrade in quality. And his character does die at the end. Not sure how they're bringing it back or why. Heatwave is his brother on there and also coming back.
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Not like killing the shogun and a shitload of samurai will change history
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Dr. Who would have burned up severals lives looking at this group. :)
Still, a fun episode.
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Why can't Ray just build another atom suit?
Drop him off in his own time, then pick him up six months/a year down the road? Or change history so he has a space made? Or maybe just go to another era with better tech, and have one built easy?
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Why can't Ray just build another atom suit?
Drop him off in his own time, then pick him up six months/a year down the road? Or change history so he has a space made? Or maybe just go to another era with better tech, and have one built easy?
I think Ray will have a new suit by season's end. Ray's calling is definitely playing a factor this year.
Changing history shouldn't be an option based on the beliefs of most of the characters.
I assume he already snuck tons of money into his suit, something he could explain as a bad investment. But then he'd have to do it again, which would be a tougher explanation to any corporate board. Plus the world thinks he's dead, so he's likely out of money anyway. Felicity is still running his company.
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At this point, it's kind of more a question if they COULD change history, if that last episode with the shogun blowing up in future armor didn't even cause a ripple :p
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One thing I noticed about this week, maybe it'll be addressed in a future episode.
When Mick was attacked by the Ninjas, he was dragged off. However a couple scenes later he's in a Ninja getup helping save the day. So did the ninjas help him? How did he get away?
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One thing I noticed about this week, maybe it'll be addressed in a future episode.
When Mick was attacked by the Ninjas, he was dragged off. However a couple scenes later he's in a Ninja getup helping save the day. So did the ninjas help him? How did he get away?
It would be funny if Mick invented the League of Assassin's. :)
Better yet, Mick meets The Foot.
If only, right? (Ray Palmer's suit survives enough to inspire Shredder's costume.)
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He beat the shit out of them
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Anyone here ever read the webcomic 8 bit theater? Used 8 bit Final Fantasy sprites?
At the end of that series, it was revealed the four stooge like "Light Warriors" were being shadowed by a team of four white mages who were the REAL heroes of the story.
Was thinking how all the messes the Legends make of time could be explained as Rip and some time masters basically following them to hot spots, and fixing all the messes they create, because there's NO WAY time should be unaffected by their travels otherwise. :)
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Changing history shouldn't be an option based on the beliefs of most of the characters.
Come to think of it...
Wouldn't they be changing history simply by traveling outside the time stream? I mean, Ray Palmer isn't running his company, or doing whatever he'd be doing. At the least, he neger would have lost his armor. That's changing history right there: His own history.
I never really thought about it before, but even ignoring "paradox's", time hopping while trying to avoid altering history is a big catch-22, because the actor's interrupt their personal histories. They'd gain new experiences, change as people, not to mention lose time off rheir life (Maybe even alter their life spans entirely for good or ill)
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which is why I usually don't watch time travel stories
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REALLY good episode. The Villain focus, and their own unique entrance, was gold. Malcolm Merlyn's stock went waaaay up from this episode, from laughing stock to a semblance of the conniving bastard he used to be.
And finally, a proper Black Flash, instead of those stupid time wraiths.
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On the last episode, two questions: Magic doesn't trump speed? And why didn't someone just let the time wraith out?
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Well, it's tech dressed up as magic.
The room was probably a well kept secret, or may not have been a room at all (Maybe another dimension, like the Mirror Master thing?)
I don't like how they turned Snart into a killer. Even in his earliest days, he always seemed to have a code against killing. (I know how you feel about those, but he still had it, like his comic book counterpart did.)
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And why didn't someone just let the time wraith out?
I was wondering that as well. I kept thinking someone was going to let them out
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On the last episode, two questions: Magic doesn't trump speed? And why didn't someone just let the time wraith out?
I thought that too. I figured they teased it by showing it in the first place.
Well, it's tech dressed up as magic.
The room was probably a well kept secret, or may not have been a room at all (Maybe another dimension, like the Mirror Master thing?)
I don't like how they turned Snart into a killer. Even in his earliest days, he always seemed to have a code against killing. (I know how you feel about those, but he still had it, like his comic book counterpart did.)
I just assumed The Legion rewired Snart the way they did Rip.
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Merlyn and Dahk both knew about the wraith and saw him
I don't have a problem with a bad guy not wanting to kill, I just think it's dumb when 50 guys with swords are coming at you
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How long before Sara and Agent Sharpe are banging?
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And speaking of banging, do we know Vixen's entire timeline isn't already an aberration? Nate could be modern Vixen's grandpa for all we know.
Sort of like Phillip J. Fry in Futureama accidentially killing his "grandfather", and knocking up grandma, making him his own grandpa. It was always gonna turn out like that, we just didn't know it yet.
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It looks like Constantine will be showing up sooner rather than later.
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Has Constantine always been gay or is that more C(SJ)W nonsense?
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I'm rooting for Grodd
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:laugh_mini: I rooted for Grodd.
And no, Constantine was never gay. His first and only love was always to the bottle.
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Beebo?
That was so ridiculous it was actually awesome
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I agree with you Robert. I loved how they embraced it's a comic book show and just went all out. Just stinks Jax didn't really do anything, not even turn into Firestorm
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I don't think he can without Martin
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This has become my favorite Arrowverse show. It's consistently fun and never takes itself to seriously. That finale was ridiculous and only this how could have pulled it off and not made it seem corny and terrible.
Can't wait for next season with Constantine as a permanent member. Think we might get Etrigan now that it looks like Constantine and demons are the new thing?