Topic: Spanish reporting who claimed harassment

[Proud Virgin]

 

 

 




 

 

 


DAT ASS.

[Proud Virgin]

- Portis says Ines was probably attracted to a/some of the Jets players (so if we read into it, he is saying she was baiting the players and then later seeking attention)
- I agree with him
- NFL is beta and attacks Portis
- Portis is forced to apologize
- Feminist on NFL Network cries about how women didn't have the right to be in the locker room 30 some years ago and keeps saying how women are not treated with respect
- I rage

[BlackLight]

- Portis says Ines was probably attracted to a/some of the Jets players (so if we read into it, he is saying she was baiting the players and then later seeking attention)

-Portis didn't say this. He said he didn't know what went on with Sainz in the Jets' lockerroom, but he decided to speak about women reporters in general.

- Feminist on NFL Network cries about how women didn't have the right to be in the locker room 30 some years ago and keeps saying how women are not treated with respect

If this incident is representative of how women are treated in a men's lockerroom (I don't think it is), then we can safely say they *aren't* being treated with respect.

I love how people are running to the defense of the Jets players with the "She deserved it" defense (based on how they imagine she was dressed, not that anyone actually knows). Which is insulting enough, but also insults any number of men who'd have no problem behaving appropriately in the same situation.

[Chus-Kay]

http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2010/09/13/2010-09-13_ines_sainz_mexican_sports_reporter_claiming_sexual_harassment_by_jets_uses_twitt.html

"I want to make clear that in no moment did I even feel offended, much less at risk or in danger while there," Ines Sainz told Spanish-language program DeporTV on Monday.

[Zandrax]

This thread is Thread Of The Week per the A1 Podcast

[BlackLight]

This thread is Thread Of The Week per the A1 Podcast

Just when you thought it couldn't get any worse for the Porn forum, this happens.

[Proud Virgin]

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Is this real life?

Also this girl makes Erin Andrews look like a 2.

[Proud Virgin]

This thread is Thread Of The Week per the A1 Podcast

Just when you thought it couldn't get any worse for the Porn forum, this happens.

You consider the football forum the porn forum?

Freaaaaaaaak!

[TH]

I love how people are running to the defense of the Jets players with the "She deserved it" defense (based on how they imagine she was dressed, not that anyone actually knows). Which is insulting enough, but also insults any number of men who'd have no problem behaving appropriately in the same situation.

She openly admits to using her sexuality to give her a leg up in the locker room. You reap what you sow. This knowledge, plus the retraction of her indignation, gives me no reason to feel sorry for her. Guys ogle girls. It's a fact of life. As long as that ogling doesn't spill over into sexual assault, then I don't see what the big deal is.

[Horsehead]

I love how people are running to the defense of the Jets players with the "She deserved it" defense (based on how they imagine she was dressed, not that anyone actually knows). Which is insulting enough, but also insults any number of men who'd have no problem behaving appropriately in the same situation.

She openly admits to using her sexuality to give her a leg up in the locker room. You reap what you sow. This knowledge, plus the retraction of her indignation, gives me no reason to feel sorry for her. Guys ogle girls. It's a fact of life. As long as that ogling doesn't spill over into sexual assault, then I don't see what the big deal is.

Exactly you want to be treated like a professional you act like one, that includes how you dress.   You dress like a hooch you will be treated like one.

[BlackLight]

Exactly you want to be treated like a professional you act like one, that includes how you dress.   You dress like a hooch you will be treated like one.

Here's how she was dressed on the day in question:



Okay, tight pants, maybe a more-open-than-normal blouse in the front, but seriously, guys? This is how whores are dressing nowadays?

She's retracting her real-time tweets of the incident because she wants to keep having a job. And the quickest way to not accomplish that is to become the poster-girl for sexual harassment in the male sports world.

[Proud Virgin]

Greatest ass ever

[TH]

She's retracting her real-time tweets of the incident because she wants to keep having a job. And the quickest way to not accomplish that is to become the poster-girl for sexual harassment in the male sports world.

So, the best way to keep women from getting sexually harrassed in the locker room is to consent to said sexual harrassment? Man, I wish I could be like you and talk out both sides of my mouth like that.

The fact is she cried foul over being ogled or catcalled at, and once the shit hit the fan, she recoiled back. Nothing about this situation makes me want to feel sorry for her.

[BlackLight]

So, the best way to keep women from getting sexually harrassed in the locker room is to consent to said sexual harrassment? Man, I wish I could be like you and talk out both sides of my mouth like that.

This is so far out of left field that I'm not even sure how to respond. So, +2 for you, I guess.

My point was clear. If this turns into A Big(ger) Deal, her career as a lockerroom reporter in mens' sports is probably over. That's an unfair, sad reality, but it's a reality none the less, and it shouldn't negate her initial reaction to what happened, given what we know. She tweeted what was going in the lockerroom, as it was going on. That's what sparked the actual news coverage - not her running off to her bosses, or to TV Azteca's news division. It's fair to suppose that she never intended this to be News at all. But News it became, so now what? Does she let it build into a weeks-long pseudo-scandal, making her, on one hand, a victim-hero to some, but also persona non grata in every male sports lockerroom in America? Or does she make a public statement recanting what she said she experienced, saving her chance to keep doing the job she's doing now?

You could argue that neither course of action is very appealing. But it's understandable why she'd do what she did.

[jerseyboy]

I can't defend the behavior of Jets' players.  If this shit happened in a regular office, there would be no question about where the blame would lie.  But because these are professional athletes they get to play by a different set of rules, I suppose.

[Solipsist]

I wish I had a time machine just so I could get to the end of the political correctness stupidity.

It's one thing to fight for the right to vote or the right to work outside the house, but are you really going to demand that women have respect in a male locker room? It's not an office, it's a locker room. If a female journalist feels uncomfortable in there don't send her there. This isn't about respect, it's about giving special treatment for the non-Y chromosomes.

She dresses the way she does because she's an attractive woman with a high profile job. I doubt her editor demands she be poured into her jeans, but she's smart enough to know sex sells and she's in business. Step away from the self esteem and self image aspect and realize that she knows that it's in her best interest to come across as attractive.

Does that mean men are going to notice? Absolutely, that's the point. Does she deserve it? Yeah, because keep in mind we're not talking about rape here, we're talking about lewd comments and sexual attention from a bunch of football players. If it bothers her she needs to dress down or find something else to do. It sucks if she can't deal with side effects of her job, but either get over it or move on to something else.

[BlackLight]

It's one thing to fight for the right to vote or the right to work outside the house, but are you really going to demand that women have respect in a male locker room? It's not an office, it's a locker room. If a female journalist feels uncomfortable in there don't send her there. This isn't about respect, it's about giving special treatment for the non-Y chromosomes.

That a female journalist be allowed into a male lockerroom without being the subject of lewd comments and sexual attention from football players is actually not an example of them receiving "special treatment." It's pretty much the exact opposite. And honestly, if anything about this surprises/depresses me, it's the level of sheer incredulity being exhibited by people at that idea ("(A)re you really going to demand that women have respect in a male locker room?").

Um.....YEAH. I think I am.

And when you say "men are going to notice" a woman dressed like that, you're trying to pull the same sort of nonsense that Tom is - purposefully conflating the perception of more benign behaviors ('ogling,' 'noticing') with what ACTUALLY happened. Noticing is looking. Ogling is looking without regard to whether your gaze might make someone uncomfortable. But what actually happened crosses into an entirely different sort of behavior. Does that behavior rise to the gravity of rape? No. But don't act like there's no middle ground between the relatively harmless and sexual predation. There is a middle ground, and if we're to believe the initial reports, these Jets players crossed into it.

[TH]

I'm sorry, but I'm not the one here who's playing both sides of the coin here and then running from an opposition point because I'm not interested in real debate.

Also, what male journalist goes into a locker room wearing jeans? Hell, what FEMALE journalist goes into a locker room wearing jeans? Have you ever seen Erin Andrews, Andrea Kramer or Pam Oliver dressed in anything less than business casual? No. And don't give me the "well, they're not as hot as Sainz is", because while Kramer and Oliver certainly aren't lookers, Andrews is, and Andrews doesn't feel the need to play up how sexy she is to do her job.

The point is, Sainz purposefully sexes herself up to get attention. She felt like she was getting sexually harassed (not assaulted, but harassed, which no one really knows what happened in there actually) enough to complain about it, and then when the heat came down, she retracted it. If anything, she DAMAGES the case of anyone who legitimately gets sexually  harassed on the job by acting like an attention whore.

Don't mistake my apathy towards this situation as mysogyny. If this happened to Andrews, you'd bet that I'd be more in her corner. Why? Because she isn't some disreputable attention whore. She's a professional. My apathy stems because the source is unprofessional and someone who right here is trying to have it both ways - trying to exploit her own sexuality and at the same time, demand the same respect that other journalists, male or female, receive. No, homey don't play that, and it's not sexist or chauvinistic to feel the same way.

[Chus-Kay]

why would her "career" as a lockerroom reporter in men's sports be over?

[TH]

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/columnists/20100916_Ashley_Fox___Professionalism_is_the_priority_for_women_covering_sports.html?jCount=2#comments

If you want to be treated like a girl at a bar, dress like a girl at a bar. If you want to be treated professionally and without incident, cover up.

[KoppoKick]

Also, what male journalist goes into a locker room wearing jeans? Hell, what FEMALE journalist goes into a locker room wearing jeans? Have you ever seen Erin Andrews, Andrea Kramer or Pam Oliver dressed in anything less than business casual? No. And don't give me the "well, they're not as hot as Sainz is", because while Kramer and Oliver certainly aren't lookers, Andrews is, and Andrews doesn't feel the need to play up how sexy she is to do her job.

Male journalists will sometimes wear jeans on site at the practice field or stadium.

As for Erin Andrews, what about these:










What both these girls are wearing looks fine to me. It doesn't make it acceptable to fire inappropriate comments their way, if they are trying to do their job.

[TH]

Since when are dresses/skirts not business casual or better? More often than not, those attires would be considered professional.

It is not alright to make inappropriate comments, but at the same time, there is a certain modicum of professionality that is expected from the journalist in question. Ines Sainz shows no professionalism in my opinion.

[KoppoKick]

No professionalism based on what? I know she isn't a super serious reporter that likes to play, but if it goes too far, then she should be respected.

Andrews is wearing 5 inch heels in that leopard dress. She's clearly showing off her body. I thank her for that. I'm just pointing out she isn't some hot blonde who dresses down during her job. She dresses hot sometimes.

[TH]

No professionalism based on what? I know she isn't a super serious reporter that likes to play, but if it goes too far, then she should be respected.

She dresses like a barhopper, and by her own admission, she plays up her sexuality in an attempt to get attention. Plus, there was that whole Twitter outburst, which she retracted as soon as the heat got turned up. I mean, people slam Matt Hardy for taking his grievances with the WWE to Twitter and Youtube. It's the same thing.

She's also reputed to be a flirt while doing her job, which is where she crosses the line between professionalism and groupieism.

Andrews is wearing 5 inch heels in that leopard dress. She's clearly showing off her body. I thank her for that. I'm just pointing out she isn't some hot blonde who dresses down during her job. She dresses hot sometimes.

There's a difference between showing off while keeping it professional and dressing like a bar skank. Would you agree that wearing a dress that ends above the knee with 5" heels, and the kicker, continuing to act like a journalist, is a lot different than going into a locker room in skin-tight jeans and a super-revealing top and being a tease?

[Chus-Kay]

i don't care what she wears.  that isn't reason enough to accept someone getting sexually harassed.

however, if she was flirting with the players, then that's a different story.  at that point, players flirting back at her or even cat calling, isn't really harassment.