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Re: The 2011 A1W 100
« Reply #250 on: April 05, 2012, 10:00:52 AM »
My only issue with Ziggler has nothing to do with his ability. People have rightly been singing his praises for years. My issue is that he has been at the midcard level pretty much since his debut. This WM he was in a multi-person tag match, at Royal Rumble he challenged for a world title nobody thought he could win cleanly because of the stipulation. Last WM he was in a multiperson tag match, and last year's Royal Rumble he challenged for a world title nobody thought he could win cleanly because of the stipulation. The WM before THAT he was in the MITB.

I hope I'm preaching to the choir here, because I think Ziggler has all the tools to be a top guy. I just fear that WWE may wait too long to truly pull the trigger on him as that top guy.

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Re: The 2011 A1W 100
« Reply #251 on: April 06, 2012, 09:47:27 AM »
2. Daniel Bryan
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Votes Received: 29
Highest Vote: 1st Place (Robert Lamb)
2009 and 2010 Rankings: 15th in '09, 1st in '10

TH: Last year, I voted Daniel Bryan 1st place. This year, I voted him 4th. That's the definition of a "down" year for the American Dragon, which is funny, because a "down" year for most anyone would have them in the bottom half of my ballot or left off it altogether. While Bryan was typically great in his appearances this year, there were a few things that knocked him down a few pegs for me.

The first was that his exposure wasn't as pervasive as it was in '10. Obviously, longer matches and better positioning on the card will lend itself to more of a fleshed-out template for a master like himself to create. In '10, he got his stint in the indies where he could be Bryan Danielson for one last time before he went back to WWE ostensibly for good, and those promotions that booked him were happy to give him all the time he wanted and needed to tell whatever story he wanted to tell. When he got back to WWE, he was given spotlight feuds with The Miz and Dolph Ziggler to have long matches. This year, a lot of that was missing, especially for the first part, although he did have a few really excellent TV matches against Miz and Sheamus.

He popped up again in the summertime when he won the Smackdown Money in the Bank and had a really good match with Wade Barrett at Summer Slam. Still, there was something categorically missing. Despite having the briefcase, he wasn't featured every week, and really, his push that continues now wasn't started until around Survivor Series. I'm not complaining though, because from the end of November on, Bryan got the spotlight he was missing, and it produced his first really, truly worthy match of the year candidate in his cage match with Mark Henry on the live Holiday Smackdown.

I don't mean to come off as overly negative about AmDrag though, because he really was good this year. No one can be first place every year, as referenced by Dylan finally not giving Rey Mysterio his first place vote for the first time in three ballots. It's hard to stay on top, even for someone who is talented as Bryan is. I expect a huge bounce back year in 2012, but even then, it's not to say that his '11 was bad. It was just "down" I guess, which again, for Danielson? It's only a relative term.

Dylan Hales: I am writing this without knowledge of the results, but I expect Bryan to finish second.  He doesn’t deserve to.  That is not to say he did not have a quality year.  When he was on he was on and when he was given chances he delivered.   His matches with Barrett, Regal and Henry were standouts.  Early in the year he had an excellent TV match with The Miz, and later in the year he hit a home run vs. del Rio. Still this felt like a less consistent year for Bryan.  At times he seemed more formulaic in the ring than he ever has at any point in his career, the most glaring example being his match with Drew McIntrye, where he just rolled out spots giving the extremely talented Drew Mac no room to add flavor.  All totaled this is a minor criticism of a great worker who had a pretty damn good year.  He sat just outside of my top ten and with a flip of a coin I could have seen him as high as eighth.  Second or third?  That seems like a real stretch, though he’s well on his way to earning a top spot for 2012.

Kevin Friskey: YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! Sorry, had to be done!

Mike Germano: The way I organized my list is who would I most like to see an in-ring match between.  If Ziggler is unavailable, Mah Bawy D-Bry is next on the list.  I am a sucker for the stiff kicks, submission counters, and badass beards, but it seems Bryan is almost incapable of having a bad match.  The American Dragon’s improbably run as a Money in the Bank winner solidified him first as an underdog, and now as Benoit 2.0.

Dave Musgrave: One of my favourite wrestlers of all time rose above the ridiculous handling of his career by the WWE to become a main eventer. His character work has been really strong since he won the title and things that are easy to forget are how strong his work with Sin Cara was, to the point that he pretty much saved his WWE career. He has become a go-to guy for WWE and I can’t think of a better wrestler to go to.

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Re: The 2011 A1W 100
« Reply #252 on: April 06, 2012, 09:48:56 AM »
YES! YES! YES!

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Re: The 2011 A1W 100
« Reply #253 on: April 06, 2012, 10:35:08 AM »
I think Ziggler is this generation's Mr. Perfect, it's a comparison I've seen made. His strong suit is selling, so he's always going to be an upper upper mid level guy who puts the bigger names over or helps mediocre guys look great. He made Zack Ryder look like Superman at Mania. It was unreal.

I think that's a shame. I really think Ziggler has the charisma and the ability and the look to be "it". I guess the modern audience has moved past being "BIG STRONG" fans, which is for the best.

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Re: The 2011 A1W 100
« Reply #254 on: April 09, 2012, 10:05:45 AM »
1. CM Punk
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Highest Vote: 1st Place (Samantha Allen, Kevin Friskey, Dave Musgrave, Always Heel, Caleb Horton, Dave Maes, Chus Killalea, Seth Zillmann, Lee Spriggs, Vince Morales, Devon Hales, Chris Sloboda, James Varga, Matt Jones)
2009 and 2010 Rankings: 4th in '09, 2nd in '10

TH: I ranked CM Punk 3rd place on my ballot, but I can fully understand the massive amounts of people who voted him number 1 on theirs. The man had an unconscious year in terms of match quality. When he was "not being pushed" before Money in the Bank, he still turned out quality performances in the Royal Rumble match, against Randy Orton, Rey Mysterio, Alberto del Rio and John Cena. After his pipe bombs started dropping, he was transcendent, taking his matches with Cena to another level and then going on the warpath the rest of the year. He had a fine resume for the year.

However, I feel like he was the "safe" pick. He was the guy who "everyone" agreed on, and yes, while he had a strong case, I had to think about why the praise was so unanimous. Picking apart his year with a fine tooth comb and comparing it to the guys I ranked ahead of him – Ziggler and Generico – I found that he wasn't as consistent as Ziggler week in and week out and that Generico hit higher peaks for me in the ring on a more consistent basis than Punk did. It's a bit unfair to say, I know, since Generico is an indie guy who works in a freer environment with fewer dates, but outside of the Cena matches, Punk's high end stuff for me wasn't as high as Generico's, even taking away his MOTY candidate against Waltman. But that's picking nits.

I don't come to bury Punk though, I come to praise him. I mean, I did rank him 3rd, right? That means I thought he was better than everyone save two wrestlers north of the Rio Grande and between the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans this year. The Cena series OF COURSE was a huge part of that, but the guy had his working shoes on for everyone. He had a classic the night after busting his hump against del Rio at Survivor Series against Ziggler, a match that just missed making the cut on my countdown. His biggest positive to me was that he brought a sense of unpredictability to WWE when its main event scene felt like it was going by the formula, with said formula being executed to different degrees of success. To me, that's huge.

So yeah, he was "safe" but he was safe for a reason. When you perform as excellently as Punk did for 12 months (save the week he was at home), then people end up noticing it. The pipe bombs were probably what got people noticing him, but as most elite guys do, he kept the eyes glued on him with his exploits in the ring. To me, that's someone who deserves to be at the top of any list that rates wrestlers by how well they execute between the ropes.

Dylan Hales: Everyone knows he’s winning this.  I voted him at 2, but easily could have voted him number one.  I’d have to go back and watch his ROH run, but off the cuff I think 2011 was the best in ring year of his career.  He was in the match of the year and in fact was involved in a series that will go down in history as one of the best of its era.  His matches with Rey, Ziggler, Del Rio, Orton and even HHH were all top notch.  There are things he does that annoy, but they are easily obscured by the things that he does well.  Even though I didn’t have him in the top slot, I won’t argue against it.

Kevin Friskey: I think it's safe to say that no man has shaped together a year of classic matches much like the Punker. It's not just matches either, but the way he goes out of the way to sell a move as "Ow. That really hurts!" Hell, most of his matches this year could fill out his upcoming DVD set if he wanted to. He was that great in 2011. He had a nice series of matches to start out the year against Randy Orton and matches against Rey Mysterio which are always fun. However, it was the second half when he really took off, all starting with the infamous Money in the Bank match against John Cena. Very rarely do I give the highest praise to a match (maybe two or three matches ever have that honor) but this got it and then some. Summer Slam also proved to be a classic. Even if the cut-off point is the last day of 2011 (his TV work against Daniel Bryan may help 2012 voting), he still is the #1 choice of 2011 for me.

Dave Maes: What more can be said about Punk in 2011? His in-ring work was always compelling and told stories without words. But his words, the revival of the 'Summer of Punk' and his ring presence redefined how we watch wrestling in the new decade. He was able to have two completely different matches with John Cena - with one telling a better story, (Money in the Bank) and the other being a borderline mat classic. (Summer Slam) So few 'superstars make one stop what they're doing whenever they're on television - Punk makes me stop when he tweets.

Dave Musgrave: Yes, WWE screwed up what was probably the hottest character to hit wrestling in years. Yes, this gimmick lost momentum. But I’ve compared June to September for Punk to Orson Welles’ Citizen Kane and everything the rest of the year was his Touch Of Evil as artistic merit was sacrificed to corporate interference. But he still had a string of great matches and was still quite over. His current title reign has been really enjoyable, especially his title win. And everyone forgets how fun some of his work early in the year was as the leader of the new Nexus. His title win from John Cena was not only my # 1 match of the year but probably of the past decade.

Eric Smith: This one was hard for me, because it’s tough to rate Punk in 2011 without thinking of his incredible work in the summer, a lot of which did not occur in the ring. Ultimately, I decided to not put Punk at number 1 for the simple reason that after the Cena feud, his year seemed to go downhill somewhat from an in-ring standpoint. It mainly consisted of some bland stuff with HHH, and a handful of solid, but not incredible matches with Cena and Del Rio. However, Punk’s first half of 2011 was absolutely incredible, from another great Royal Rumble performance to the show-stealer with Orton at Mania, to another amazing series of matches with Rey Mysterio, and then finally to my personal Match of the Year with Cena at Money in the Bank, everything he did was gold.

Lee Spriggs: There's no one I enjoy watching more in the ring. He moves well, he wrestles really well, but more than anything, he is a master of ring psychology. I went back and watched his matches from early in the year, when he was wrestling as a heel, to his match at Money in the Bank (the real turning point), to his matches from late in 2011, and he wrestled a different style in each. And with each different style, he showed different mannerisms and executions of particular moves. He's dedicated to his in-ring work, and it really shows through. In 2011 he also had some excellent opponents, which helped him put on some fantastic matches.

Samantha Allen: Punk had a fascinating 2011. It seemed like he spent the majority of the year pissing people off. First it was John Cena in the month of January. The New Nexus booking for the Royal Rumble was fantastic. Then he moved on to Randy Orton and they had a good match at WrestleMania.  Then the shizz hit the fan with THE PROMO(s). The “Money in the Bank” match against Cena was exciting. If you took away all the hype and fanfare, the match itself was still a good one. Punk has always been a guy who has consistently good matches. We all know he is great worker, and I think in 2011, he actually got to show off everything he is capable of.

Cameron Riley: In 2011, Punk changed the game, for two months. Summer of Punk (WWE version) got everyone talking, including my old man, who asked me who that "tattooed guy was that acted like Austin". Match-wise however, and he was stirring it up before that night on the stick. He had another stellar Royal Rumble, his match with Orton at 'Mania was my favorite from the show, battles with Rey Mysterio and Alberto Del Rio, leading into his first ever five-star match against John Cena. He got slowed down with Textgate and Triple H, but another few months battling Dolph Ziggler and Alberto Del Rio capped off a stellar year for 'The Pipebomb Prince'.

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Re: The 2011 A1W 100
« Reply #255 on: April 09, 2012, 10:41:23 AM »
CM Punk is not only the best thing about Raw, he's the best thing in all of televised wrestling.

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Re: The 2011 A1W 100
« Reply #256 on: April 09, 2012, 07:29:14 PM »
Go fuck yourselves, all of you. Just rename this board the CM Punk Fluffhouse already, fuck's sake. Slugfest can blow my Eve scented cock.

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Re: The 2011 A1W 100
« Reply #257 on: April 09, 2012, 08:48:15 PM »
Go fuck yourselves, all of you. Just rename this board the CM Punk Fluffhouse already, fuck's sake. Slugfest can blow my Eve scented cock.

it's based on in ring performance, not kayfabe.

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Re: The 2011 A1W 100
« Reply #258 on: April 09, 2012, 09:36:21 PM »
Yeah, Punk blowing a Sharpshooter at an Indy show and having an offense of knee, knee, knee = best in the wooooooorld!!!!!!

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Re: The 2011 A1W 100
« Reply #259 on: April 10, 2012, 01:08:10 AM »
Lol fat virgin is hatin on CM Pussmagnet

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Re: The 2011 A1W 100
« Reply #260 on: April 10, 2012, 01:27:54 AM »
To be fair to FATSEXY, Punk's kicks look weak, his knees aren't always on, and more often than not, the GTS looks like it was missed - I've long said it's not a good fit for him.

Has he had some classic matches? Sure he has. Does he deserve #1? I'm not so sure.

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Re: The 2011 A1W 100
« Reply #261 on: April 10, 2012, 06:33:26 AM »
He blew his promo last night and he sucks as the angry, tortured soul Punk, but hey, he has an actual song for his intro so #1!

Cena is #1 by so far that it is comical.

Lol pencil neck Dylan votes for skinny guy over Cena.

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Re: The 2011 A1W 100
« Reply #262 on: April 10, 2012, 08:01:32 AM »
He blew his promo last night

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Re: The 2011 A1W 100
« Reply #263 on: April 10, 2012, 08:57:35 AM »
He blew his promo last night and he sucks as the angry, tortured soul Punk, but hey, he has an actual song for his intro so #1!


yeah, none of that has anything to do with a1w 100.

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Re: The 2011 A1W 100
« Reply #264 on: April 10, 2012, 10:23:53 AM »
Ok, his offense is pretty shitty, it's knee, knee, knee, running knee in the corner, knee, pick the guy up and knee him (and miss 99% of the time), high kick (which is pretty good looking), "anaconda vice" *wink*.

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Re: The 2011 A1W 100
« Reply #265 on: April 10, 2012, 10:25:02 AM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ycsp_vCqYRQ

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Re: The 2011 A1W 100
« Reply #266 on: April 10, 2012, 10:26:48 AM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3W3Na9IdISM

nobody does it better than CM Fucking Punk!!

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Re: The 2011 A1W 100
« Reply #267 on: April 10, 2012, 10:29:28 AM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpJXS6jbdVE

Years from now, wrestling schools will not exist, there will be only CM Punk matches used as instructional videos.

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Re: The 2011 A1W 100
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Re: The 2011 A1W 100
« Reply #269 on: April 10, 2012, 10:44:00 AM »
lol @ cherrypicking botches to prove someone sucks in the ring

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Re: The 2011 A1W 100
« Reply #270 on: April 10, 2012, 11:15:11 AM »
lol @ cherrypicking botches to prove someone sucks in the ring

lol @ saying he was the best lololololol

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Re: The 2011 A1W 100
« Reply #271 on: April 10, 2012, 11:29:31 AM »
why are you posting vids from things that happened in 2012 for the A1W 100 2011

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Re: The 2011 A1W 100
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Re: The 2011 A1W 100
« Reply #273 on: April 10, 2012, 01:32:51 PM »
To be fair to FATSEXY, Punk's kicks look weak, his knees aren't always on, and more often than not, the GTS looks like it was missed - I've long said it's not a good fit for him.

Has he had some classic matches? Sure he has. Does he deserve #1? I'm not so sure.


I didn't vote for him number one, but it was obvious he was going to finish first.  He had classic matches and enough other performances to make a solid case.  I like Ziggler, but he had a much better case than him in my view and Ziggler got a ton of number one votes as well.  You voted Styles number one IIRC which to me is utterly insane. 


Is he a flawed wrestler?  Fuck yes, but the most "flawless" U.S. wrestlers got far fewer chances to deliver and in the end that matters. 

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Re: The 2011 A1W 100
« Reply #274 on: April 10, 2012, 01:35:32 PM »
Ok, his offense is pretty shitty, it's knee, knee, knee, running knee in the corner, knee, pick the guy up and knee him (and miss 99% of the time), high kick (which is pretty good looking), "anaconda vice" *wink*.

BEST IN THE WOOOOOOORRRRRLLLLLLLDDDD!!


I am a pretty big Cena fan - actually probably the biggest defender around in terms of his quality as a worker - but "CM Punk's offense is shit therefore he can't be the best in the world" and "Cena is far and away the best in the World" are not two ideas that work together.  I "buy" Cena's offense for the most part because of how it is sold, but as a whole it is pretty much dogshit