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Re: The Bill DeMott Situation
« Reply #25 on: March 12, 2015, 09:55:22 AM »
This is some horseshit. You can tell when a wrestler stinks without having wrestled. Compared to his peers, Demott stunk on ice.
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Re: The Bill DeMott Situation
« Reply #26 on: March 12, 2015, 10:30:30 AM »
I know this will upset some, but oh well. To hear my thoughts on this topic listen to the lastest episode of the A1-Wrestling podcast. What disturbs me though is for someone who has never been booked for a legit, national promotion to type or say someone who has done just that cannot work. First off, please don't use a term you do NOT fully understand the meaning of. What would be more accurate is you personally don't like or enjoy watching a particular person's wrestling. That is everyone's right, but to judge someone's ability to do something they themselves have never done and do not know how to do, is not the same. So I can respect whether you enjoy someone doing something, but judging if they are doing it correctly when you do not have the knowledge and ability to do it themselves bothers me greatly.


That's kinda dumb. I mean, I've never been the President of the United States, do I just need to STFU and let the Prez do his shit?


I've never won an Oscar, can I not say that someone is a shitty actor?


I've never coached an NFL team, can I not say that Pete Carroll is the dumbest motherfucker in NFL history?


Tired argument.

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Re: The Bill DeMott Situation
« Reply #27 on: March 12, 2015, 10:33:32 AM »
I didn't say wrestle, I said work. The fact that some who claim to know the difference, but don't was my point.


The only person on this messageboard who is too dumb to know the difference is Torgo, and our board's motto is "Fuck Torgo".

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Re: The Bill DeMott Situation
« Reply #28 on: March 12, 2015, 12:21:34 PM »

The only person on this messageboard who is too dumb to know the difference is Torgo, and our board's motto is "Fuck Torgo".

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Re: The Bill DeMott Situation
« Reply #29 on: March 12, 2015, 02:30:26 PM »

The only person on this messageboard who is too dumb to know the difference is Torgo, and our board's motto is "Fuck Torgo".

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Re: The Bill DeMott Situation
« Reply #30 on: March 12, 2015, 02:35:01 PM »
Two hits: me hittin' you. And then me hittin' you again.


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Re: The Bill DeMott Situation
« Reply #31 on: March 12, 2015, 04:27:21 PM »
Stupid calls in the Super Bowl aside, Pete Carroll has won a lot of games at the college and pro levels as a head coach. Not particularly a fan of the man myself, BUT I do know a lot about football and still concede Pete Carroll knows more about football, espcially coaching it, than I do. What is that saying about actions speaking louder than words? Well it seems a bunch of people in this forum have done a lot of talking (or typing), but little in the way of action. Does that mean someone can't have an opinion? Of course not. Does that mean a person can't express that opinion? Of course not. Still, when one has never done something, but talks (or types) at length like they are an expert on a topic that all they have ever done with said topic is watch it, then they shouldn't be surprised when those that have done this topic, not just watched and talked (or typed) about like them, have a differring opinion. They are approaching the subject matter with completely different views. I can't for the life of me understand how anyone would defer to the opinion of someone who has never done something over an individual who has done it. If I ever have to have heart surgery, I want the opinion of the person who has performed that surgery many, many times over the person who has never done it. I am especially going to ignore the opinion of the person who finds heart surgery interesting and has seen it done, but has never done it and though thinks they can perform this surgery have never trained to learn how. Same applies to whose opinion I trust with having a leaky faucet fixed or an issues with my laptop or even advice on how to raise my kids. Maybe I am the odd one. I just tend to trust and respect the opinions on a subject coming from someone who has done it often and been trained to do it over someone who just likes watching it and thinks they can do it or thinks they know how to do it. Action will always win out over words for me at least.

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Re: The Bill DeMott Situation
« Reply #32 on: March 12, 2015, 08:09:54 PM »
Has anybody else noticed that all the allegations and commentary about DeMott came from new, or inexperienced trainees? I haven't heard guys like Finn Balor, Dean Ambrose, or Kevin Owens give any input. It's all guys who were brand new to the biz.

I'm not saying that to defend anything, just something I noticed. It's possible DeMott was just lighter on guys that had experience.

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Re: The Bill DeMott Situation
« Reply #33 on: March 12, 2015, 10:12:44 PM »
Stupid calls in the Super Bowl aside, Pete Carroll has won a lot of games at the college and pro levels as a head coach. Not particularly a fan of the man myself, BUT I do know a lot about football and still concede Pete Carroll knows more about football, espcially coaching it, than I do. What is that saying about actions speaking louder than words? Well it seems a bunch of people in this forum have done a lot of talking (or typing), but little in the way of action. Does that mean someone can't have an opinion? Of course not. Does that mean a person can't express that opinion? Of course not. Still, when one has never done something, but talks (or types) at length like they are an expert on a topic that all they have ever done with said topic is watch it, then they shouldn't be surprised when those that have done this topic, not just watched and talked (or typed) about like them, have a differring opinion. They are approaching the subject matter with completely different views. I can't for the life of me understand how anyone would defer to the opinion of someone who has never done something over an individual who has done it. If I ever have to have heart surgery, I want the opinion of the person who has performed that surgery many, many times over the person who has never done it. I am especially going to ignore the opinion of the person who finds heart surgery interesting and has seen it done, but has never done it and though thinks they can perform this surgery have never trained to learn how. Same applies to whose opinion I trust with having a leaky faucet fixed or an issues with my laptop or even advice on how to raise my kids. Maybe I am the odd one. I just tend to trust and respect the opinions on a subject coming from someone who has done it often and been trained to do it over someone who just likes watching it and thinks they can do it or thinks they know how to do it. Action will always win out over words for me at least.

I'm not sure anyone here disagrees with that at all. I would never try to say that I know more about wrestling and how it works than you do.

I think we are crossing our arguments here. The context of us talking about wrestling is that we are all long time fans who like to talk about it. I think you're kind of picking up the vibe that we are trying to be know it alls.

You read it as: BILL DEMOTT IS A BAD WORKER AND I KNOW THIS!!
What we're trying to say is: I saw that guy wrestle a lot and as a viewer, he's kind of shitty.

Does that make sense?

I appreciate this discussion, by the way. It's awesome to have a pro with us.

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Re: The Bill DeMott Situation
« Reply #34 on: March 12, 2015, 10:20:22 PM »
It's possible Crazy Train was referring to my post, so just to be clear - I was trained by a legit HOFer, but never wrestled.  My comment about DeMott not being worthy of lacing Kowalski's boots was more referring to what we as fans know about his training methods, based on what happened.  I don't think I made any comments about DeMott's wrestling ability, or at least I didn't mean them to be taken that way.

Having said all that, DeMott was a crappy wrestler, too.
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Re: The Bill DeMott Situation
« Reply #35 on: March 12, 2015, 10:22:20 PM »
Has anybody else noticed that all the allegations and commentary about DeMott came from new, or inexperienced trainees? I haven't heard guys like Finn Balor, Dean Ambrose, or Kevin Owens give any input. It's all guys who were brand new to the biz.

I'm not saying that to defend anything, just something I noticed. It's possible DeMott was just lighter on guys that had experience.

I think the hazing is to weed people out who aren't up for the lifestyle. Daniel Bryan said (on Total Divas!) that the first time he had sex with Brie Bella, Sheamus walked into the room and started patting her on the head.

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Re: The Bill DeMott Situation
« Reply #36 on: March 12, 2015, 11:13:20 PM »
Has anybody else noticed that all the allegations and commentary about DeMott came from new, or inexperienced trainees? I haven't heard guys like Finn Balor, Dean Ambrose, or Kevin Owens give any input. It's all guys who were brand new to the biz.

I'm not saying that to defend anything, just something I noticed. It's possible DeMott was just lighter on guys that had experience.

I would be surprised if Kenta had ANY training before he started wrestling for NXT. If he did, it was to get used to the ring and ropes. What on  Earth could a guy like Demott teach Kenta or Devitt or Steen? Those guys would kill him if he tried anything anyway, especially Kenta who is a legit kickboxer.

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Re: The Bill DeMott Situation
« Reply #37 on: March 12, 2015, 11:23:56 PM »
Has anybody else noticed that all the allegations and commentary about DeMott came from new, or inexperienced trainees? I haven't heard guys like Finn Balor, Dean Ambrose, or Kevin Owens give any input. It's all guys who were brand new to the biz.

I'm not saying that to defend anything, just something I noticed. It's possible DeMott was just lighter on guys that had experience.

I've read that if any of the more established guys are asked to do rookie training drills, they either refuse or half ass it. And if Demott complained about it to HHH, HHH would just say to let them do their own thing.

Again, I don't know if that's true, but that's what I read on the internets!

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Re: The Bill DeMott Situation
« Reply #38 on: March 13, 2015, 02:58:32 AM »
I have met Bill and I am pretty sure that he himself would say that he couldn't lace Kowaslski's boots. Just a gut feeling there. And as for what he can teach experienced guys is how to do TV, or at least at the very high end level the WWE does it. Having been in many nationally televised matches for both WCW and WWE, he has a knowledge there few if any of them have. I love New Japan, but look at their TV product. Even to the untrained eye one can tell it differs from WCW or WWE TV. I am not speaking of presentation, but of production. Believe me, WWE worried about this as did WCW. I worked squash matches for WCW and they made sure that Barbarian (I think because we already knew each other) gave me a crash course on camera placement, camera angles, etc. Even though my WWE tryout was a dark match, it was videoed as far as I know. Because of that Michael Hayes, Kevin Kelly, and Jim Cornette gave me and my partner a similar primer about TV production pre-match. Jut one of the many, many things it takes to be a wrestlers for a major national promtion with cable TV. There are so many little things it takes to be a "star" outside of wrestling ability, look, and charisma. That is why the indies are loaded with tons of talented guys. They are missing one or two things that keep them off a national promotion's roster.

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Re: The Bill DeMott Situation
« Reply #39 on: March 13, 2015, 07:02:42 PM »
Fun rumor today is that DeMott was not happy with the Steen/CJ Pparker debut match on NXT. He particularly wasn't happy with Steen doing the dive over the ropes. When he went to HHH to complain about it, HHH shrugged him off and told him to let Steen do whatever he wants.


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« Reply #40 on: March 13, 2015, 08:17:57 PM »
If true, I could see Bill's POV and Hunter's POV. Bill is kind of right in the sense it was the 1st match that should set the table, not take a high spot that Bill knew full well would be done in SEVERAL matches later in the card, especially when Steen has so many other things he can do when others after him only get mostly due to high flying (Lucha Dragons, Neville, Balor, etc). There is also the problem with showing favoritism in the sense that Bill has probably told inexperienced guys to NOT do a dive like that in an opening match and then letting a vet do it seems contradictory. From Hunter's POV, WWE hired Kevin because of what he could do and to make diehards that have followed his career happy, which in no small part is due to what he can do. That match was basically an extended squash match meant to highlight Owens, which means show what you can do, so Hunter was most likely "go for it". Now with that said, as impressive as Kevin's offense is, he won't take the next step until he gets better at making other guy's stuff look as impressive. That ability, in my opinion, is the weakest part of Kevin's game. From guys I trust that know Steen, they say he realizes this as well and is hoping to improve that very thing while in NXT.

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Re: The Bill DeMott Situation
« Reply #41 on: March 13, 2015, 09:45:15 PM »
I find this whole matter quite Hugh Morris.

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« Reply #42 on: March 14, 2015, 01:24:17 PM »
Fun rumor today is that DeMott was not happy with the Steen/CJ Pparker debut match on NXT. He particularly wasn't happy with Steen doing the dive over the ropes. When he went to HHH to complain about it, HHH shrugged him off and told him to let Steen do whatever he wants.


Ironic when its coming from a big fat guy who was doing moonsaults.

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« Reply #43 on: March 14, 2015, 04:32:35 PM »
I find this whole matter quite Hugh Morris.


This whole thread gives me a Hugh G  Rection

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Re: The Bill DeMott Situation
« Reply #44 on: March 14, 2015, 04:58:07 PM »
Once again, it is very possible the people in WCW told him to do the moonsault. Also, the moonsault was his finisher. Owens dive to the floor is NOT his finisher. Big difference. There is also the possibility that as a big man who often did too big a high spot (moonsault) too early for his match placement on the card and was told by vets to stop doing that and why, then who better to explain the psychology of why NOT to do it but DeMott? Think about that.

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Re: The Bill DeMott Situation
« Reply #45 on: March 14, 2015, 06:53:31 PM »

Ironic when its coming from a big fat guy who was doing moonsaults.


Still more ironic, I witnessed his interim replacement at Full Sail - Matt Bloom - do a moonsault at Kowalski's school right before he was hired by WWF and sent to Memphis.

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Re: The Bill DeMott Situation
« Reply #46 on: March 14, 2015, 07:43:40 PM »
Quite impressed with how WWE fucked up Matt Bloom TWICE.

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Re: The Bill DeMott Situation
« Reply #47 on: March 14, 2015, 09:16:39 PM »
Eh. He had a decent run with Test. Plus he got to travel with Trish Stratus. I say that makes him a winner regardless.