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In The Ring => Wrestling & MMA => Topic started by: FATSEXY on October 08, 2014, 02:14:57 PM
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I read it because someone sent me the link to the piece.
Here's his piece (complete with his "I'm better than you" intro):
http://wallsofjerichoholic.blogspot.com/2014/10/theory-peoples-strudel-is-dry.html (http://wallsofjerichoholic.blogspot.com/2014/10/theory-peoples-strudel-is-dry.html)
NOTE: The following theory is not about Dwayne Johnson, the person. I don't know anything about that man's sex life, and I am not making a value judgement on him for however sex he's had or not had. Making fun of someone for having too much sex or not enough sex or no sex at all is absolutely idiotic. This theory is about the framing of a fictional persona playing out in the WWE Universe, and I can't believe I have to write this fucking disclaimer, but I can't with some of you people. I just can't.Watching RAW last night, I received a revelation, one with such stunning clarity that I wasn't entirely sure if it was an epiphany or whether a week of sleep deprivation and emotional duress had finally caught up with me. I slept on it and thought about it, though, and it all started to make sense. This revelation explained so much of the history and behaviors of one of WWE's most iconic characters that I am shocked and dumbfounded that I haven't come to this revelation a long time ago.Basically, the character of The Rock has either never had sex, or he's had such little sex in his life that he's still super-repressed after all these years.The first telltale sign has been slapping everyone in the face for the last 15 years. The Rock has always had a super-confrontational relationship with women. When he comes across a woman whom he pretends is sexually repulsive to him (Vickie Guerrero) or who has wronged him in some way (Lana, Stephanie McMahon, etc.), he batters her with awful, misogynist insults. Do you think someone who knows the touch of a woman would have sat down and ad libbed a trashy, hateful song (http://wallsofjerichoholic.blogspot.com/2013/01/race-to-bitch-mountain-why-rock-should.html) towards Guerrero for no other reason than her telling him to be quiet while people are working? Basically, Rock's script towards women is cobbled straight out of men's rights activist forums. More accurately, maybe The Rock was a greater influence on the current crop of fedora-clad champions of r/MensRights than people realize.Even when he tried putting the moves on various women over the years that met his standards of attractiveness, his moves have always reeked of the sleazy, one-liner-drenched pickup artist shtick that the "red pill" consuming subgroup uses to get sex. Remember when he'd use to hit on Lilian Garcia and she'd pretend to act flattered? The puzzle pieces are starting to fit together quite nicely, and the pattern has been noticeable and defined since the day he came into WWE.Rocky Maivia entered the company as the fresh-faced, blue-chip, can't-prospect dressed in a warped, Middle American view on what was cool in 1996. He was an exceedingly "nice" guy who played the right way, but he got abused by the system and became jaded. If that sequence sounds familiar, head into the murky waters of self-pitying MRA forums and see how many people self-profess as nice people whom the ladies often abuse and use. His next step was to join the Nation of Domination, which oddly makes sense as well. While the Nation never really lashed out against women in general, Rock's motivations to get into the group in the first place could have been because he didn't have any luck with the ladies. Maybe if he threw himself into activism, he could get his mind off the evil, gross, MEAN women who wouldn't give him WHAT HE DESERVED. But then he evolved into The Rock, and he got all the accolades. He showed off his massive charisma and won Championships and grew into his body all that other jazz, and yet the ladies were still repulsed by him. And then when he became a movie star, he got so busy between shuttling back and forth between Hollywood and WWE that he didn't even have time for sex. But that didn't stop him from assuming that the lack of action was because women were evil. His mind became so warped that today, his first reaction to a ravishing bombshell who happened to be the most vocal anti-American zealot WWE has seen since Ludvig Borga was to demean her for her gender.But why would WWE so blatantly and obviously promote a sexless, hateful MRA as its biggest pop icon, even before the time he became a legitimate Hollywood box office draw? Well, to whom did WWE market shows during the Attitude Era? The answer is the 18-34 male demographic. While any large group of people is super diverse both in appearance and mindset, I've been around enough late-'90s devotees to know that a healthy amount of MRA-types populated those crowds back in the day. The Rock was a handsome, ripped, charismatic dude who represented everything some people in the crowd wished they could be, but even in the depths of vicarious living, those fans had to have identified with Rock on a different level. He was more famous than they were, but they shared the common bond that none of them were getting laid on a regular basis. He talked like they did, only he was that portion of the crowd's most successful avatar.I can't believe it took me so long to realize that Rocky really is just a sexually repressed asshole who strikes a chord with a vocal portion of the crowd. Sure, some people who have healthy sex lives like him for whatever reason, and again, not having sex isn't a crime or a sin or something to be ashamed of, which is why someone ACTING like their own lack of sex is a "problem" makes them such a delicious heel, or at the very least, an antiheroic emblem for a community with misplaced ideals. WWE has always seemed askew when it came to its morality alignments, but maybe its portrayal of The Rock, especially during the times when he's called upon to be cheered, can shed some light on the twisted ideas of heroism and villainy among its braintrust.
Here's my reply to him:
I find it kind of weird that you are trying to knock a fictional character's lack of getting laid on his behavior, his behavior being that he makes fun of other fictional characters based on their lack of sexual prowess. Do you understand why that comes across as weird? And, disclaimers aside, you do realize that your opinion piece comes down to "he's not getting laid so that makes him a jerk", don't you?
Any replies I get will be posted.
EDIT: I can't go back and format this the way he had it formatted for some reason, apologies. Read it as a block, damn you.
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Also, he told Lana she was beautiful and that it was a shame she walked around like she had a stick up her ass, basically. Told her she was stuck up. I bet Actual Girl Who Plays Lana couldn't WAIT to fuck The Rock after the show.
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Haven't Babyfaces acted single and available in wrestling since the dawn of time?
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I can't read all that. So much baseless conjecture. As such to me it reads like he's actually projecting his own thoughts/beliefs onto a fictional character to make himself feel better.
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th;dr
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:clapping_mini:
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th;dr
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FATSEXY, this is a lost cause. When JA believes something, he will go to any depths to hold to it. You will never convince him otherwise, it's best to just ignore it.
Case in point, I remember a loooooooong time ago, he was talking about how any band that consisted of young men playing pop songs is a boy band. I said even Nirvana and the Beatles? He said, with all sincerity, that Nirvana and the Beatles were boy bands.
That's the kind of stubborn you're dealing with here.
Let it go, man. LET IT GO!
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Looks like whatever reply you had to him got deleted
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Looks like whatever reply you had to him got deleted
Nah, it's still there. FATSEXY replied to the FB link to the article. The replies to the actual blog post are just "yeah, what you said, right on, bro"...
Also another :good_mini: to "th;dr". It's simple, yet brilliant.
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oh man, bravo
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FTR this dude has some serious projection issues.
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oh man, bravo
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FTR this dude has some serious projection issues.
I think we should step back and realize that our own Turbovirgin became such a pimp that he can talk shit on The Rock's sexual prowess (and yes, I'm talking about the character The Rock not the guy).
I also want to backtrack and laugh my fat motherfuckin' ASS OFF at the "I'm not talking about THE MAN, I'm talking about THE CHARACTER OMG!" disclaimer, seeing how The Rock fuckin' posterized the SJW internet rasslin' fan Stroud in that most marvelous display of pwnage in Twitter history.
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I can't read all that. So much baseless conjecture. As such to me it reads like he's actually projecting his own thoughts/beliefs onto a fictional character to make himself feel better.
It's the only logical explanation for how he could tell Lillian Garcia (Not the WOMAN the CHARACTER) "pretended" to be flattered that Rock flirted with her.
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JA has some real good ideas about gender relations but his autism causes him to pick all the wrong battles over them.
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turbovirgin
autism
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TH threads never disappoint
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He doesn't post here any more, I guess?
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He doesn't post here any more, I guess?
Short answer, no. I think the other guys can explain it better. But despite the crap we give him, I'm positive he would be welcome back at any time should he change his mind.
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JA has some real good ideas about gender relations but his autism causes him to pick all the wrong battles over them.
This has been my point all along. I don't actually disagree with a lot of what he says, but he chooses to be ridiculously nitpicky and even when I agree with him he's often obnoxious as can be. He's a good dude though, but I kind of had to throw the baby out with the bath water as it's just not worth the aggravation.
Also, it is funny that he has said that Stone Cold is the only part of the Attitude Era he wants to see return. You know, Stone Cold Steve Austin who actually beat his female spouse.
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He doesn't post here any more, I guess?
Nope, he left when people started "ganging up" on him. I respect that because there's no reason to stay and be aggravated. Of course, like I said that's why I don't read his stuff or Stroud's for that matter. At some point it's just not worth it.
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JA has some real good ideas about gender relations but his autism causes him to pick all the wrong battles over them.
i did what you see there
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This has been my point all along. I don't actually disagree with a lot of what he says, but he chooses to be ridiculously nitpicky and even when I agree with him he's often obnoxious as can be. He's a good dude though, but I kind of had to throw the baby out with the bath water as it's just not worth the aggravation.
Also, it is funny that he has said that Stone Cold is the only part of the Attitude Era he wants to see return. You know, Stone Cold Steve Austin who actually beat his female spouse.
That's nostalgia goggles for you.
Hulk Hogan's a total piece of shite, but Hulkamania's still real to me, dammit.
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I'm with you there. I hated Hogan during his WCW run because although his Hollywood turn was great I believe he sabotaged the promotion due to his ego. That being said, I don't really have any quarrel with him now and it's actually good to see him show up in WWE.
I just found that interesting because if you're going to continually up in arms about all these social issues and want to hate on The Rock like that it's kind of hilarious that woman-beater SCSA is A-OK in your book.
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I'm with you there. I hated Hogan during his WCW run because although his Hollywood turn was great I believe he sabotaged the promotion due to his ego. That being said, I don't really have any quarrel with him now and it's actually good to see him show up in WWE.
I just found that interesting because if you're going to continually up in arms about all these social issues and want to hate on The Rock like that it's kind of hilarious that woman-beater SCSA is A-OK in your book.
Even onscreen he wasn't exactly the epitome decency to women. He's stunned Keibler, Trish, and Lita if memory serves. Has Rock ever hit a woman?
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Even onscreen he wasn't exactly the epitome decency to women. He's stunned Keibler, Trish, and Lita if memory serves. Has Rock ever hit a woman?
Not only stunned, but he beat the ever loving shit out of Lita with a STEEL CHAIR.
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Not only stunned, but he beat the ever loving shit out of Lita with a STEEL CHAIR.
See, now that's equality! Man or woman, he's gonna beat the shit out of you with a chair.
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Rock probably reminds these dweebs of someone who used to pick on them or beat them up in school. chock full of psychological issues.
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Even onscreen he wasn't exactly the epitome decency to women. He's stunned Keibler, Trish, and Lita if memory serves. Has Rock ever hit a woman?
I think Stephanie ate a Rock Bottom and a People's Elbow once.
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The JA I knew was like an anti handout, anti government libertarian.. At some point he started getting up in arms about drone attacks and foreign policy.
When did he go militant feminist? Was it his wife's influence?
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The JA I knew was like an anti handout, anti government libertarian.. At some point he started getting up in arms about drone attacks and foreign policy.
When did he go militant feminist? Was it his wife's influence?
It seemed to coincide with when he was no longer Turbo Virgin
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It seemed to coincide with when he was no longer Turbo Virgin
To me it seemed to coincide with when he started getting chummy with Stroud. That may just be coincidence I suppose.
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The JA I knew was like an anti handout, anti government libertarian.. At some point he started getting up in arms about drone attacks and foreign policy.
When did he go militant feminist? Was it his wife's influence?
Don't go there as far as talking about his wife. I mean, you CAN and I can't tell you what the fuck you can and can't right because I'm just a dumb cocksucker at the end of the day, but if you could refrain from including spouses and family, please do. I just get uneasy with personal stuff on forums.
I don't know what caused JA to change his views about life, and it doesn't matter that he did. People change their mind about stuff all the time. I used to fuckin' hate cops as a whole and think they were assholes, but now I'm a pro cop motherfucker (even though I realize that some of them are major assholes). So you can change your mind. It's not the end of the world.
I think JA left in a huff over that politics forum post about unreported rapes where everyone "teamed up on him" and by "teamed up on him" I mean "didn't bite on his bullshit post so he got pissed off and left".
I like JA. I really do. He's a good guy, I would throw out that he's a much better guy than I am but that's not exactly a high hurdle to clear... I like JA, but his wymn's justice stuff drives me nuts.
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Chus-Kay thoughts?
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My god, Fatty, you are one whipped redneck. :p
jk. Only reason I brought up his significant other, is because I heard she was a feminist. Of course, JA could have been one himself before they even hooked up.
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Chus-Kay thoughts?
Me personally, I never had a beef with him. I've criticized how he's handled himself (he does come across as condescending and trolling sometimes, even if he doesn't mean to). But in the end we're both huge dorks so I think we played nice at the end.
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Chus-Kay thoughts?
He annoyed the living shit out of me and if I told him water was wet, he'd argue that there's no such thing as "wet" and that it's all just a matter of perception.
But I wish he'd come back. People can drive you crazy and you can still like them. I'm the most annoying person on Earth and you cocksuckers love me like I love cake.
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lol he wholesale deleted me from all social media
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I suppose he conveniently ignored Chris Jericho doing the same exact thing.
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If you have access to the Politics forum here is the old thread we were discussing in case you missed it or want to relive the magic.
http://www.a1-wrestling.com/forum/index.php?topic=6786.0 (http://www.a1-wrestling.com/forum/index.php?topic=6786.0)
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As for Jericho himself.
Remember this awesome moment?
http://www.tmz.com/2009/11/05/chris-jericho-wee-racial-slurs-wrestling-statement/
The "hilarious" Chris Jericho. He's had his funny moments, but I'm not sure I've ever seen a funny guy be consistently less funny as him.
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As for Jericho himself.
Remember this awesome moment?
http://www.tmz.com/2009/11/05/chris-jericho-wee-racial-slurs-wrestling-statement/ (http://www.tmz.com/2009/11/05/chris-jericho-wee-racial-slurs-wrestling-statement/)
The "hilarious" Chris Jericho. He's had his funny moments, but I'm not sure I've ever seen a funny guy be consistently less funny as him.
The time he re-debuted with the Lite Brite jacket and didn't say a word for 5 minutes while basking in the cheers of the fans is by far one of the top 5 funniest things I've ever seen in rasslin'.
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That was cool. Naming all the moves was too especially since several of them were armbar.
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I suppose he conveniently ignored Chris Jericho doing the same exact thing.
Oh better than that. Somehow they weren't the same thing, and you were stupid for thinking they were.
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"Do you think someone who knows the touch of a woman would have sat down and [/size]ad libbed a trashy, hateful (http://wallsofjerichoholic.blogspot.com/2013/01/race-to-bitch-mountain-why-rock-should.html)[/size][/color][/size]song (http://wallsofjerichoholic.blogspot.com/2013/01/race-to-bitch-mountain-why-rock-should.html)[/size] towards Guerrero.."
is JA going to be a pussy his ENTIRE life?
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"Do you think someone who knows the touch of a woman would have sat down and ad libbed a trashy, hateful (http://wallsofjerichoholic.blogspot.com/2013/01/race-to-bitch-mountain-why-rock-should.html)song (http://wallsofjerichoholic.blogspot.com/2013/01/race-to-bitch-mountain-why-rock-should.html) towards Guerrero.."
is JA going to be a pussy his ENTIRE life?
lol apparently.
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Austin would have stunned her and poured beer over her afterward.
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If you have access to the Politics forum here is the old thread we were discussing in case you missed it or want to relive the magic.
http://www.a1-wrestling.com/forum/index.php?topic=6786.0 (http://www.a1-wrestling.com/forum/index.php?topic=6786.0)
That's one of the best threads ever. I honestly think it's what drove him away.
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(http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/452/280/50c.jpg)
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Beer_Baron being the one who called him out makes it better, because BB is not exactly a staunch conservative who was out to attack the whole thing as a leftist bunch of nonsense. BB is a reasonable dude who leans left, and he was like "hold on a sec".
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Someone on one of my BMW boards just used the phrase "neck beard white knights" and I couldn't stop laughing thinking about turbo virgin
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Starting to think you guys are wasting far too much time and energy on this topic.
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Disregard.