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MVP gets FE'd
« on: December 02, 2010, 05:29:31 PM »
... or maybe not so much. He asked for and was given his release; per his Twitter. Says he wanted to go international and freshen things up.

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Re: MVP gets FE'd
« Reply #1 on: December 02, 2010, 06:12:28 PM »
He wanted to do "unwell" things to freshen things up a bit, is my guess.

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Re: MVP gets FE'd
« Reply #2 on: December 02, 2010, 06:13:41 PM »
takin' his ballin' and go home.


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Re: MVP gets FE'd
« Reply #3 on: December 02, 2010, 09:25:04 PM »
"I'm coming" to the unemployment line.*

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Re: MVP gets FE'd
« Reply #4 on: December 02, 2010, 10:13:06 PM »
... or maybe not so much. He asked for and was given his release; per his Twitter. Says he wanted to go international and freshen things up.

What the hell does "go international" mean, exactly?  I didn't think felons were allowed to work in other countries, which is why he often gets left off the international tours.
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Re: MVP gets FE'd
« Reply #5 on: December 02, 2010, 10:33:14 PM »
I think eventuallly we'll be seeing Victor Ignacio Patterson debut in a TNA ring
 

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Re: MVP gets FE'd
« Reply #6 on: December 02, 2010, 11:11:39 PM »
this is joyous news.
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Re: MVP gets FE'd
« Reply #7 on: December 03, 2010, 04:00:53 AM »
What the hell does "go international" mean, exactly? 

Bumming.

I didn't think felons were allowed to work in other countries, which is why he often gets left off the international tours.

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Re: MVP gets FE'd
« Reply #8 on: December 03, 2010, 07:32:34 AM »
... or maybe not so much. He asked for and was given his release; per his Twitter. Says he wanted to go international and freshen things up.

WELL FUCK.

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Re: MVP gets FE'd
« Reply #9 on: December 03, 2010, 09:12:47 AM »
I think eventuallly we'll be seeing Victor Ignacio Patterson debut in a TNA ring
Or he could just go back to being Antonio Banks like the last time he was in a TNA ring  :biggrin_mini2:

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Re: MVP gets FE'd
« Reply #10 on: December 03, 2010, 09:39:35 AM »
Or he could just go back to being Antonio Banks like the last time he was in a TNA ring  :biggrin_mini2:

Yeah, but that was before he had his WWE success.  I'd be shocked if he doesn't have some variation of MVP or VIP or something like that as his initials.  Or even if he does use his real name or something, he'll still be referred to as the former MVP every 30 seconds.
 

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Re: MVP gets FE'd
« Reply #11 on: December 03, 2010, 09:53:08 AM »
Ah yes, like they do with Pope, Anderson, and Tara...

They might do it for a time or two during his debut but he'd ease into whatever new name he has.

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Re: MVP gets FE'd
« Reply #12 on: December 03, 2010, 10:34:58 AM »

I do really hope he's actually going to Japan and not just using this as leverage to climb aboard the worst promotion on Earth.

Yeah, matches with Samoa Joe... whatever.

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Re: MVP gets FE'd
« Reply #13 on: December 03, 2010, 11:21:52 AM »
i guess this means another ev2 guy will get fired

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Re: MVP gets FE'd
« Reply #14 on: December 03, 2010, 12:07:24 PM »
I do really hope he's actually going to Japan and not just using this as leverage to climb aboard the worst promotion on Earth.

Yeah, matches with Samoa Joe... whatever.

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Joe needs to get to WWE so he can get sent to FCW and have his new character name be Porky Seanoa.  The feud with Husky Harris practically writes itself.
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« Reply #15 on: December 03, 2010, 01:07:03 PM »
Joe needs to get to WWE so he can get sent to FCW and have his new character name be Porky Seanoa.  The feud with Husky Harris practically writes itself.

It would still be an improvement.

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Re: MVP gets FE'd
« Reply #16 on: December 03, 2010, 01:25:54 PM »
I wouldn't be surprised to see him at the Tokyo Dome Show on January 4th for New Japan.

That's just what I'm expecting.

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Re: MVP gets FE'd
« Reply #17 on: December 03, 2010, 01:41:41 PM »
I wouldn't be surprised to see him at the Tokyo Dome Show on January 4th for New Japan.

That's just what I'm expecting.

Yeah, I think NJPW would be a great fit as well.

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Re: MVP gets FE'd
« Reply #18 on: December 03, 2010, 02:55:13 PM »
It would still be an improvement.

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God, yes.  Believe me, all of those people staying with TNA out of loyalty will rue the day when that ship sails and the WWE is back to being the only legitimate option.
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Re: MVP gets FE'd
« Reply #19 on: December 03, 2010, 03:53:52 PM »
Ah yes, like they do with Pope, Anderson, and Tara...

They might do it for a time or two during his debut but he'd ease into whatever new name he has.

That's right, its not like Anderson is doing the exact same character, gimmick and entrance as he did in WWE.... Oh wait, he is.  Well certainly, Tara's WWE history is behind her, its not like her feud with mickie James is based on Mickie getting her fired from WWE..... She is?  Silly me.

Pope's a different case primarily because (a) it's not like he had a clearly defined and/or successful WWE character and (b) he's been saved by Russo's obsession with trying to replicate the Rock to show it was his brilliance and not the talents of Dwayne Johnson which made it work.

Bottom line is that any person who had more than a modicrum of success in WWE comes in with a character as close to their WWE character as TNA can get away with.  Some of the people who had very limited WWE success, like Morgan, Pope and Kazarian can get makeovers, but anyone who was featured for any amount of time stays the same.
 

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Re: MVP gets FE'd
« Reply #20 on: December 03, 2010, 04:01:23 PM »
That's right, its not like Anderson is doing the exact same character, gimmick and entrance as he did in WWE.... Oh wait, he is.  Well certainly, Tara's WWE history is behind her, its not like her feud with mickie James is based on Mickie getting her fired from WWE..... She is?  Silly me.

Pope's a different case primarily because (a) it's not like he had a clearly defined and/or successful WWE character and (b) he's been saved by Russo's obsession with trying to replicate the Rock to show it was his brilliance and not the talents of Dwayne Johnson which made it work.

Bottom line is that any person who had more than a modicrum of success in WWE comes in with a character as close to their WWE character as TNA can get away with.  Some of the people who had very limited WWE success, like Morgan, Pope and Kazarian can get makeovers, but anyone who was featured for any amount of time stays the same.
See now you're moving the goalpost. You said before that TNA would constantly refer to somebody as "the former whatever". I give you evidence to show that will likely not be the case, and you start bringing up the gimmicks and feuds, which wasn't part of your original point. Anderson had that gimmick before his WWE debut, so why should he stop it after he leaves? Why does WWE automatically get final dibs on a gimmick? If a gimmick works why should a guy have to stop doing it simply because it's what he did in WWE?

How is Pope like Rock other than the 3rd person reference?

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Re: MVP gets FE'd
« Reply #21 on: December 03, 2010, 07:29:13 PM »
See now you're moving the goalpost. You said before that TNA would constantly refer to somebody as "the former whatever". I give you evidence to show that will likely not be the case, and you start bringing up the gimmicks and feuds, which wasn't part of your original point. Anderson had that gimmick before his WWE debut, so why should he stop it after he leaves? Why does WWE automatically get final dibs on a gimmick? If a gimmick works why should a guy have to stop doing it simply because it's what he did in WWE?

How is Pope like Rock other than the 3rd person reference?
Anderson did not have the name repetition, the mic from the ceiling or the Mister [insert name here]....  gimmick prior to WWE.  The closest support for your argument is that he did his own ring announcing in the WWE's OVW minor league.  Moreover, as to Tara, the whole gimmick was about her being the WWE's Victoria and now she's in a feud with Mickie about her WWE days.  My point is that instead of building new elements, TNA continually tries to present their talents as the exact same person they were in WWE and repeatedly harkens back to their WWE careers, not just in a "former world champion" way, but by specifically mentioning WWE, WCW and ECW over and over.

Which, for the hundredth time, is the response to your question as to when does it no longer become a WWE thing:  When TNA stops treating it like a WWE thing.  When TNA stops mentioning WWE and ECW on nearly every episode.  When they stop making a big deal about the person coming in from WWE.  When they stop basing their feuds and angles on what happened in other companies.   If they want to continue to tie people back to their WWE days, they have to accept that people will continue to think of the performers as WWE performers.

I'll give you an example of what I mean.  It's not perfect, but it is illustrative.  Let's look at WWE's introduction of Daniel Bryan.  His history is a part of his WWE character, but its in a general sense.  It's never that he's the former Bryan Danielson who wrestled in ROH and in Japan, its that he's a guy who wrestled internationally and in indy companies.  Obviously, the scale is different between being a former WWE TV character and a ROH star, but the point is that the same storyline element, ie.... Bryan's long career path and success, is introduced, but without a specific reference to another company or specific elements of his career.

Of course, the classic example is "The Real Wold Champion" Ric Flair in 1991.    Flair came in with the WCW title belt and was clearly presented as being the same person he had been before.  But you NEVER had a reference to WCW or any specific incident or event.  It was just that a guy with a World Title belt from somewhere else had come in to challenge Hogan.  That's how you handle a world championship level guy, not saying he's the former WCW champion.

Also, you aren't seriously arguing that Pope is not a clone of the Rock are you?  It's not just the third person (which itself would be enough) but "The Congregation" (i.e.... the People).  How about "the Pope..... is..... Pimpin......" being delivered in exactly the same way as "Rock is cooking"?  Pope talking about raising his pimp hand in the same tone and meaning as laying the smack down?  People have named their fans before and had catchphrases and all that, but Pope is doing all those things in the EXACT same way as the Rock.  Seriously, its very clear that Pope is supposed to be just like the Rock.
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Re: MVP gets FE'd
« Reply #22 on: December 03, 2010, 08:31:59 PM »
I'm not seeing the Pope/Rock thing.  Sorry till.  I mean, they're both black and talk in the 3rd person.  most wrestlers talk in the third person.  his pope is pimping has the same cadence as what the rock is cookin?  you can't be serious.  the People's champ and the Congregation, yeah thats a stretch too.  Jeff Hardy had his creatures of the night, i guess thats a rock ripoff too.  and hogan's hulkamaniacs?  total rock ripoff.

WWF doesn't reference other companies cuz they don't need to.  they think they're above everybody else so its not worth it to them.  why would they mention to their fans that daniel bryan was in ROH when most their fans prob don't know what ROH is.  that would be free advertisement for the smaller companies.  but don't act like they don't make allusions towards the other companies.  Ric Flair came in with their title belt and people are supposed to not know where that belt came from.  when chris jericho came the rock referenced how he used to fight guys named Juventud, but the fans would never put 1 and 1 together.

If someone has a character that works, they might as well stick to it.  why change mr. anderson if that is what gets him over.  and they barely ever reference tara's wwf stint before mickie came to tna.  if anything the guys themselves reference it more than the company does.  like tommy dreamer when he went and told every member of fortune how much he respected them.  or bubba ray explaining how he carried d'von throughout their career.

if someone on the red sox gets traded to the dodgers are you supposed to pretend that whole era on their previous team never happened?  so they mention their backgrounds here and there, its not like thats the most highlighted aspect of their feuds. 

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Re: MVP gets FE'd
« Reply #23 on: December 03, 2010, 08:55:15 PM »
Pope.. is.. pimpin'.

If you smeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeell..  what the Rock...........      is cooking.

totally the same.

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« Reply #24 on: December 03, 2010, 10:56:56 PM »
I'm not seeing the Pope/Rock thing.  Sorry till.  I mean, they're both black and talk in the 3rd person.  most wrestlers talk in the third person.  his pope is pimping has the same cadence as what the rock is cookin?  you can't be serious.  the People's champ and the Congregation, yeah thats a stretch too.  Jeff Hardy had his creatures of the night, i guess thats a rock ripoff too.  and hogan's hulkamaniacs?  total rock ripoff.
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As I noted above, yes others have named their fans, but with Pope, it comes across as being a ripoff because its part of an entire package which is identical to Rock's.  Hardy had his people of the night, but didn't speak in the 3rd person and didn't have a catch phrase which mirrored Rock's with the exact cadence.  As to your argument as to cadence:

Because Pope..... is..... Pimpin

What the Rock ..... is..... Cookin

Same number of syllables, same basic construction, same placement at the end of the promos.  It's a direct copy.

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WWF doesn't reference other companies cuz they don't need to.  they think they're above everybody else so its not worth it to them.  why would they mention to their fans that daniel bryan was in ROH when most their fans prob don't know what ROH is.  that would be free advertisement for the smaller companies.  but don't act like they don't make allusions towards the other companies.  Ric Flair came in with their title belt and people are supposed to not know where that belt came from.  when chris jericho came the rock referenced how he used to fight guys named Juventud, but the fans would never put 1 and 1 together.
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Your first sentence makes my point for me.  WWE doesn't reference other companies because they don't need too because they are the best.   TNA's operating strategy is that they are a competitor to WWE, not some subordinate company.  Every time they refer to being from WWE as a major qualification and a big deal, it makes them look like the lesser company.  That's what really bugs me about the WWE name dropping, that its TNA admitting they aren't good enough and that WWE is better.

As to the Juventud mention, there is a huge difference between a single joke in a promo and making the former company and events that happened there the point of a feud.  Using the mickie/Tara thing as an example, it's the difference between these women have had serious issues in the past that never came out and Mickie got Tara fired from WWE.  The former is using back story to promote a feud, the latter is a feud specifically about Tara being mad that she was fired from WWE and forced to have to settle for working in TNA.

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If someone has a character that works, they might as well stick to it.  why change mr. anderson if that is what gets him over.  and they barely ever reference tara's wwf stint before mickie came to tna.  if anything the guys themselves reference it more than the company does.  like tommy dreamer when he went and told every member of fortune how much he respected them.  or bubba ray explaining how he carried d'von throughout their career.
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But how often have Dreamer & 3D made it clear that the feuds they were in were about ECW?  Not just shared pasts, but specifically in ECW.   That's my issue here, not using history to establish a story, but emphasizing specifically that it was related to WWE and other trademarks owned by WWE.  My point is that there is no reason to specifically emphasize the WWE part, not that the concept of a shared history is bad.

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if someone on the red sox gets traded to the dodgers are you supposed to pretend that whole era on their previous team never happened?  so they mention their backgrounds here and there, its not like thats the most highlighted aspect of their feuds. 

But it is the most emphasized element.  We just spent a half year watching Dreamer and company engage in feuds based on ECW.  And 3D & Rhino have done the same.  And the mickie deal.  And the Sting/Nash v. Bischoff thing.  And so on and so on.