Topic: Red Sox payroll passes Yankees

[A Very Smug Bear]

Let me also add (and I am not including you in this as I can tell you are a baseball fan first), that part of this has to do with NYY fans, that I know. In no other other sport, does a team's fan go out of their way to talk about how many titles they have. I mean Lakers fans are snobby but they don't count then out for you, Celts too, in hockey, the Canadiens have far more than other teams,

Oh please. Boston fans are just about the most obnoxious fans there are across all major sports. Pats fans. Celtic fans, whatever. If you live in New England and you walk around anywhere wearing any kind of NY sports apparel you're going to hear some lame ass comment. It's a fact. From Connecticut to Maine that's what you get. Nobody can keep their mouth shut. It's ridiculous. Every year Boston fans forget that they have won 2 World Series, 4 Super Bowls and what...2 NBA Championships?? in the last decade. They cry about over spending and spend more time cheering for whatever team is playing NY than for their own teams.

And it doesn't fucking matter if Boston is #2 by however many million the fact is, like the Yankees, Boston along with many other teams take advantage of the fact that there is no salary cap so let's not act like the Yankees are the Big Evil ruining baseball. Hello, $50,000,000 to negotiate with a mediocre Japanese pitcher.

[PC2219]

Oh please. Boston fans are just about the most obnoxious fans there are across all major sports. Pats fans. Celtic fans, whatever. If you live in New England and you walk around anywhere wearing any kind of NY sports apparel you're going to hear some lame ass comment. It's a fact. From Connecticut to Maine that's what you get. Nobody can keep their mouth shut. It's ridiculous. Every year Boston fans forget that they have won 2 World Series, 4 Super Bowls and what...2 NBA Championships?? in the last decade. They cry about over spending and spend more time cheering for whatever team is playing NY than for their own teams.

And it doesn't fucking matter if Boston is #2 by however many million the fact is, like the Yankees, Boston along with many other teams take advantage of the fact that there is no salary cap so let's not act like the Yankees are the Big Evil ruining baseball. Hello, $50,000,000 to negotiate with a mediocre Japanese pitcher.

It does matter how many millions. The difference between #1 and #2 makes the point. Here, let me give you an example. If the best team in baseball had 130 wins? And the 2nd best team in baseball had 70 wins? Would you really group them together even if they are 1 and 2?

Sure Boston fans can be obnoxious. But keep in mind how much crap they have taken for years and years and remained loyal. Sure I have been around a bunch of them who love to talk smack. But one thing that you have to grant them for all those years they lost but remained loyal. You don't see that in most teams, NYY included. I used to go to Yankee Stadium in the 80's and it was empty in the upper sections.

[Little Jimmy]

It does matter how many millions. The difference between #1 and #2 makes the point. Here, let me give you an example. If the best team in baseball had 130 wins? And the 2nd best team in baseball had 70 wins? Would you really group them together even if they are 1 and 2?

Sure Boston fans can be obnoxious. But keep in mind how much crap they have taken for years and years and remained loyal. Sure I have been around a bunch of them who love to talk smack. But one thing that you have to grant them for all those years they lost but remained loyal. You don't see that in most teams, NYY included. I used to go to Yankee Stadium in the 80's and it was empty in the upper sections.

That comparison is stupid, because money doesn't equal wins if money isn't spent correctly. Money can cover up mistakes, but it doesn't guarantee everything. You look at the Red Sox lineup and pitching staff, then you look at the Yankees lineup and pitching staff. The Sox are the Yankees equal right now, if not better. They're doing more with less.

Boston fans were always annoying because they talked shit when they had nothing to talk shit about. Now that they've had success, they are insufferable.

[ILTOA]

The Yankees have gone to the playoffs 15 of the last 16 years.  Yeah, a lot of homegrown talent, but the Yankees ability to retain homegrown talent by overpaying them is a huge part of their advantage.  You guys are spoiled to the point where if the Yankees don't win the World Series the season is a failure, but only one or two more teams and their fans look at it like that.  It is what it is, but the Yankees don't play on a level playing field.

[Little Jimmy]

The Yankees have gone to the playoffs 15 of the last 16 years.  Yeah, a lot of homegrown talent, but the Yankees ability to retain homegrown talent by overpaying them is a huge part of their advantage.  You guys are spoiled to the point where if the Yankees don't win the World Series the season is a failure, but only one or two more teams and their fans look at it like that.  It is what it is, but the Yankees don't play on a level playing field.

I am not spoiled, don't lump me in with the majority here. I was around when they are awful, and eventually they will be awful again, and I'll still be around. I have already conceded the advantages that the Yankees have in terms of payroll. I will also say that the Braves won their division 14 years in a row. Money does not buy world series rings, it does help you be able to compete year in and year out, I definitely agree with that. But it's not the ONLY way to do it. The Rays have found a way to win the AL East several times, the Blue Jays are getting competitive, the Orioles...well they suck.

[A Very Smug Bear]

Sure Boston fans can be obnoxious. But keep in mind how much crap they have taken for years and years and remained loyal. Sure I have been around a bunch of them who love to talk smack. But one thing that you have to grant them for all those years they lost but remained loyal. You don't see that in most teams, NYY included. I used to go to Yankee Stadium in the 80's and it was empty in the upper sections.

Oh yeah I forgot about how noble Boston fans were, each and every fan they have now are the same fans they had 10 years ago. 

Are you kidding me?

[PC2219]

Oh yeah I forgot about how noble Boston fans were, each and every fan they have now are the same fans they had 10 years ago.  

Are you kidding me?

Nothing is that black and white, sorry. Each and every fan, cmon.

But yeah many of them fans from back then are also still fans. Can you tell me this is the case in NY? MOST of the fans showed up after 96. Sure they never had completely empty stadiums but take away the corporate seats and what do you have? Perfect example is the Knicks. I have been a Knicks fan since late 80's. They were very good in the 90's and then stuck for the last decade. However, that place always sold their seats. Why? Because it is NY and there is corporate money here.

P.S. Has anyone posted the actual payroll numbers yet? Or is this claim still going because some guy said it on Twitter?

[PC2219]

That comparison is stupid, because money doesn't equal wins if money isn't spent correctly. Money can cover up mistakes, but it doesn't guarantee everything. You look at the Red Sox lineup and pitching staff, then you look at the Yankees lineup and pitching staff. The Sox are the Yankees equal right now, if not better. They're doing more with less.

Boston fans were always annoying because they talked shit when they had nothing to talk shit about. Now that they've had success, they are insufferable.

I don't think it is. If the number 1 team spends 220, and the number 2 team spends 209, I consider it 1 and 2. If the number one team spend 210 and the number 2 is 130. No, they are not even close to the same league.

And I already conceded the Red Sox ARE spending this year but you can't compare them to the NYY, until they make it a habit.

Boston fans have always loved their teams but no team, and there is no way you or anyone can deny this, has fans who walk around with this auro of "we are above you in every way" more than NYY fans. Just doesn't exist.

[A Very Smug Bear]

Nothing is that black and white, sorry. Each and every fan, cmon.

But yeah many of them fans from back then are also still fans. Can you tell me this is the case in NY? MOST of the fans showed up after 96. Sure they never had completely empty stadiums but take away the corporate seats and what do you have? Perfect example is the Knicks. I have been a Knicks fan since late 80's. They were very good in the 90's and then stuck for the last decade. However, that place always sold their seats. Why? Because it is NY and there is corporate money here.

P.S. Has anyone posted the actual payroll numbers yet? Or is this claim still going because some guy said it on Twitter?

Uhh, I never said they didn't have any fans 10 years ago. Seriously. Read.

[Little Jimmy]

I don't think it is. If the number 1 team spends 220, and the number 2 team spends 209, I consider it 1 and 2. If the number one team spend 210 and the number 2 is 130. No, they are not even close to the same league.

And I already conceded the Red Sox ARE spending this year but you can't compare them to the NYY, until they make it a habit.

Boston fans have always loved their teams but no team, and there is no way you or anyone can deny this, has fans who walk around with this auro of "we are above you in every way" more than NYY fans. Just doesn't exist.

Again, for about the 4th time. The money disparity is huge, but it's not a good comparison because the money is spent poorly. Nobody was going to give Jeter $17,000,000 a year, nobody was going to give Arod $30,000,000 a year.. I could go on and on... Yes they can outspend, but they are paying way above market value for what they have. I NEVER NEVER NEVER said the Yankees didn't have that advantage, what I did say was that if you look at the players the Yankees have... the TEAM they've put together, you can clearly see that they are not getting bang for their buck. Their team isn't really that much better than their competitors in their own division(red sox, rays), who have spent less throughout the years, but have spent smarter.

[EDGECRUSHER]

While the Yanks do overpay, they are in a bind because they are dealing with Hall of Famers or at worst, players who will have their numbers retired. The Red Sox and Rays and others rarely have these problems, let alone several all at once.

A-Rod being the exception because his contract was just plain stupid.

[Proud Virgin]

You're right that it's insane to suggest that no one else can win because the Yanks spend money.  The WS results you posted completely dispute that.  That being said they have more room for error in general because they can throw money at players and to help fix poor decisions.  What irritates me in general is when people seem to suggest that spending an assload of money in MLB gives a team no advantage whatsoever.  If you're like PV, you may very well say that it's perfectly OK that it does give you an advantage, but it's insane to suggest it isn't an advantage.

I just like that it's one of the last true bastions of capitalism.

[Proud Virgin]

I am not spoiled, don't lump me in with the majority here. I was around when they are awful, and eventually they will be awful again, and I'll still be around. I have already conceded the advantages that the Yankees have in terms of payroll. I will also say that the Braves won their division 14 years in a row. Money does not buy world series rings, it does help you be able to compete year in and year out, I definitely agree with that. But it's not the ONLY way to do it. The Rays have found a way to win the AL East several times, the Blue Jays are getting competitive, the Orioles...well they suck.

Now see that's a great point that I whole heartedly agree with.

Money doesn't buy championships but it does make you competitive

[Proud Virgin]

Even more than money I will say that chemistry plays a big part as well. Just look at the Giants team that just won it all. EVERYONE giving their all for each other. That was one hell of a tight knit group.

Can the same be said about the Yankees?

[Little Jimmy]

Even more than money I will say that chemistry plays a big part as well. Just look at the Giants team that just won it all. EVERYONE giving their all for each other. That was one hell of a tight knit group.

Can the same be said about the Yankees?

You mean the team that won it the year prior to the Giants?

[Proud Virgin]

You mean the team that won it the year prior to the Giants?

I was referring to the yankees teams from 2001-2008

[TH]

Fuck the haters, everyone wishes their team could spend like the Yankees. Now that my team does, I'm happier than a pig in shit.

Let's not pretend that money wins Championships anyway. If it was, no way the Marlins have a second title.

[A Very Smug Bear]

I was referring to the yankees teams from 2001-2008

Well how about the Giants from 1955-2009?

[Proud Virgin]

Well how about the Giants from 1955-2009?

Well from 1993-Barry's last game everyone hated him so.........

[Proud Virgin]

I was referring to the yankees teams from 2001-2008

Negged right on back bud