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Re: The 2011 A1W 100
« Reply #100 on: March 20, 2012, 11:56:54 AM »
let me put it this way: a 10 second goldberg squash match is very entertaining.  it's not a good wrestling match.

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Re: The 2011 A1W 100
« Reply #101 on: March 20, 2012, 02:24:46 PM »
Just put Morrison in Jericho's spot please sir.  My years tend to run together.  And replace Generico's second spot with the Chikara guy with the pause button.  And put Corino in King's second spot, his match with Steen was fantastic.


Everything's already processed, and this is technically past deadline. IT would be a nightmare for me to go back and edit my spreadsheet. In short, sorry bro.

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Re: The 2011 A1W 100
« Reply #102 on: March 20, 2012, 02:34:22 PM »
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Re: The 2011 A1W 100
« Reply #103 on: March 21, 2012, 08:17:54 AM »

Everything's already processed, and this is technically past deadline. IT would be a nightmare for me to go back and edit my spreadsheet. In short, sorry bro.

JoMo suffers for my inequities.  It's not fair, but it's life.

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Re: The 2011 A1W 100
« Reply #104 on: March 26, 2012, 09:29:14 AM »
Welcome to the unveiling of the A1W 100. To recap, this is a list based on what goes on between the bells in the ring. Ballots were open to the Internet community at large with 32 people submitting them. The criteria to be used were anything that the voter thought enhanced the match, whether they were moves, selling, psychology, crispness, realism or whatever else that person thought the wrestlers voted for did. Before we get started, here are the people who submitted ballots this year:

TH - Inconsequential amateur food blogger

Rob Franklin - TWB reader and CLASH Wrestling aficionado

Robert Dorman - Writer of Hitting the Mark

Alex Torres - TWB reader and indie wrestling fanatic

Barry Savant - Anarchy Championship Wrestling ring announcer

Niall Harkiss - A1W forum member

Okori Wadsworth - TWB reader, podcast guest and writer for The Starting Five

Samantha Allen - TWB reader and Chikara devotee

Kevin Friskey - TWB reader and fellow CHIKARMY member

Dave Musgrave - Co-host of the Wrestling Culture podcast and token Canadian voter

Mike Germano - TWB reader

Always Heel - Mysterious TWB reader

Caleb Horton - TWB reader

Dave Maes - TWB reader, A1W lurker and serial train collector

Robert Lamb - A1W poster and Southern eccentric

Jarret Aubry - Webmaster of A1W, TWB reader and one of the only people I know who unironically likes Nickelback

Norko Kipte - Emcee of the A1 Podcast, contributor to South Atlanta Wrestling and the world's only Houndstooth Lantern

Chus Killalea - A1W poster, TWB reader and troll genius

Seth Zillman - Co-host of the A1 Podcast

Luke – Punk Rock Comedy - TWB reader and fan of three chords arranged hilariously

Lee Spriggs - TWB reader

Eric Smith - TWB reader

John Hyperion - Managing editor of Dirty Dirty Sheets and noted Joy Division fetishist

Cameron Riley - Token Aussie voter, TWB reader and podcast guest

Vince Morales - TWB reader, author of Miller Park Drunk and co-purveyor of the Heck Yeah Chikara! Tumblr

Devon Hales - Southern wrestling conservationist and brother of Dylan

Chris Sloboda - TWB reader and resident Florida Gator fan

James Varga - TWB reader and Vegas high roller

Dylan Hales - Co-host of the Wrestling Culture podcast, TWB reader and brother of Devon

Brandon Infinger - TWB reader, A1W poster and best friend of 8-Ball the Tiger

Brandon Stroud - Managing editor of With Leather, purveyor of the Dugout and Best and Worst of RAW and fourth most famous wrestling-related Vegan in history

Matt Jones - TWB reader, A1W poster and one of only 12 people in America who like soccer

Now that everyone is introduced, let's get to the list. To start off, here are the wrestlers who received votes but did not make the final list, in order from highest point total to lowest:

Kyle Matthews
Manami Toyota
Kyle O'Reilly
Josh Prohibition
Serena Deeb
Magnus
Madison Eagles
Cheerleader Melissa
Brian Kendrick
YAMATO
Primo Colon
UltraMantis Black
Ophidian
Crimson
Michael McGillicutty
Hallowicked
Matt Morgan
Jimmy Jacobs
Doug Williams
CIMA
Matt Cross
Ricardo Rodriguez
Charlie Haas
Delirious
Ezekiel Jackson
Booker T
Madison Rayne
Scott Steiner
AR Fox
Marion Fontaine
Davey Vega
Kharma
Icarus
Luke Gallows
Paul London
Brodus Clay
The Rock
Kalamity
Ayako Hamada
Epico
Soldier Ant
Darin Childs
Pierre Abernathy
Arik Cannon
Mia Yim
Kid Kash
Gail Kim
Low Ki
Darren Young
LuFisto
Rhett Titus
Jimmy Rave
Ace Rockwell
Sarita/Sarah Stock
Damien Sandow
Nicole Matthews
Steve Corino
TJ Perkins
Jesse Sorensen
Drew Delight
Sean Waltman/1-2-3 Kid
Derrick Bateman
Dick Togo
Jerry Lynn
Robbie E
Sugar Dunkerton
Masada
Masato Yoshino
Abyss
Shannon Moore
Jason "The Gift" Kincade
Hiroshi Tanahashi
Chase Owens
Evan Gelistico
Jushin "Thunder" Liger
Ayumi Kurihara
Gary Jay/Gerald James
Frightmare
Mat Fitchett
Devon Dudley
Joey Ryan
Jason Bane
Eric Young
Jessica James/Lady Poison
Sigmon
Scot Summers
Veda Scott
Damien Wayne
JT LaMotta
Homicide
Pretty Peter Avalon
Atsushi Kotoge
Khris Wolfe
Daisuke Harada
Tursas
Jaykus Plisken
Derrick King
Shawn Vexx
Jake Crist
Kota Ibushi
Darin Corbin
Tyler Reks
Hiroyo Matsumoto
Uhaa Nation
Dan Walsh
Dingo
Matt Hardy
Kory Chavis
Amanda Fox
Player Dos
Jake Davis
Bill Dundee
Jimmy Uso
Necro Butcher
Jey Uso
Johnny Viper

I don't solicit blurbs for people who don't make the list, but Devon decided he was going to write one for Johnny Viper anyway. Honestly, I dig it, because he's a guy who didn't make the list, and guys who don't make the list who aren't from a mainstream promotion usually don't do so because they're underexposed. So, read this, and check Viper out!

Devon Hales: -  This is a guy on the southern Indy circuit from my area in East Tennessee. He has a pretty convincing heel shtick and his interactions with the crowd are very good. Some of his offense is fairly innovative and fun to watch. With all that said his bumping is superb. Probably the best reckless style bumper in the southern Indy circuit I've seen. I placed him as my final number 30 spot because he's a guy who I feel deserves recognition considering where he works and the lack of exposure.

RJ City
Johnny Goodtime
Rich Swann
Husky Harris
Harry Smith
Alex Riley
Sebastian Suave
Heath Slater
Kevin Nash
Drew Haskins
Jessicka Havok
Pinkie Sanchez
Christina Von Eerie
Mercedes Martinez
Chris Hamrick
Mike Bennett
Player Uno
Daizee Haze
MsChif
Mathieu St. Jacques
The Pope
Obariyon
Percy Watson
Su Yung
Jeff Jarrett
Kodama
Kobold
Mike Bailey
Hy-Zaha
Scorpio Sky
Curt Hawkins
Tony Kozina
BJ Whitmer
Amasis
Dasher Hatfield
Awesome Andy/Saber Cat
Tomasso Ciampa
Bolt Brady
Bobby Beverly
Shane Hollister
Goldust
Jeremy Wyatt
KC Karrington
Adam Pearce
Tara
Terry Funk
Hernandez
Great Khali
Chavo Guerrero
Dave Crist
Mark Krieger
Tony Nese
Tamina Snuka
Greg Iron
Krimson
Preston Quinn
Amazing Red
Jake Manning
Super Dragon
Façade
Winter
Jamie Dundee
Bryce Benjamin
ODB
Dr. McCarver
Joey Marx
Ricky Morton
Kellie Skater
Tommy Treznik
Velvet Sky
Jinder Mahal
Sterling James Keenan/Corey Graves
Vordell Walker
Jessie McKay
Johnny Yuma
Matt Striker
Petey Williams
Hulk Hogan
JTG
Rob Terry
Gavin Quinn
Rickey Shane Page/Christian Faith
Layla
Flip Kendrick
Louis Lyndon
Rosita
Doug Somers
Jeff Daniels
Jon Davis
Chris Michaels
Ryan Taylor
Mark Haskins
Steven Walters
Mike Posey
Corey Hollis
Tito Santana
Eve Torres
Jordan Lennox
Leo Kruger
Mason Ryan
Kelly Kelly
Hornswoggle
Stupid W. Tweety
Cedric the Hitman
Anarquia
Bobby Shields

Now that all the prelude is out of the way, we'll get started with the unveiling of the list tomorrow.
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Re: The 2011 A1W 100
« Reply #105 on: March 26, 2012, 03:46:45 PM »
God it pisses me off that Matthews was that close to making it.  I honestly would have rather him finished 210th  than 101.  On my original run through I had him at 17th.  Wonder if that would have made a difference

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Re: The 2011 A1W 100
« Reply #106 on: March 26, 2012, 04:04:32 PM »
God it pisses me off that Matthews was that close to making it.  I honestly would have rather him finished 210th  than 101.  On my original run through I had him at 17th.  Wonder if that would have made a difference

After having seen two matches from him this year that impressed me a lot, I can say beyond any shadow of a doubt that if I had seen any of his '11 work before I compiled my ballot, he'd have made this list.

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Re: The 2011 A1W 100
« Reply #107 on: March 27, 2012, 12:43:11 PM »
We are ready to kick off the A1W 100. Here are the first twenty entrants into the list with all the pertinent statistics as well as blurbs written by you (and me) for selected entrants. Let's get it started.

100. Mickie James
Points: 243
Votes Received: 6
Highest Vote: 37th Place (Always Heel)
2009 and 2010 Rankings: Not ranked both years

TH: Mickie James for me is about the midpoint of where a woman wrestler in America today is. She's obviously comfortable exploiting her own sexuality at the bereft of her wrestling craft, but at the same time, she still seems dedicated enough that she constantly is getting better in the ring. I shudder to think how she'd be used had she not have gotten fired from WWE, but in TNA, she seems to have found a home as an elder stateswoman. She had decent to good matches with Sarita, Winter and Angelina Love, and even though she's been deemphasized lately, she still is a solid standby for future matches with the likes of Gail Kim and Madison Rayne.

99. Athena
Points: 244
Votes Received: 3
Highest Vote: 8th Place (Barry Savant)
2009 and 2010 Rankings: Not ranked both years

98. Shiima Xion/Zema Ion
Points: 250
Votes Received: 5
Highest Vote: 41st Place (Seth Zillmann)
2009 and 2010 Rankings: Not ranked both years

Alex Torres: Shiima Xion is a personality all itself; his swagger and narcissism half of what makes him so fun to hate. Don’t forget though that he’s an adept highflyer and one of the most fun wrestlers to watch in the ring. His antics all add to the story, making for a fun time. That fun has translated to Zema Ion completely, making him one of the highlights of Impact for me.

97. Kazarian
Points: 250
Votes Received: 6
Highest Vote: 29th Place (Niall Harkiss, higher vote tiebreaker puts him ahead of Xion)
2009 and 2010 Rankings: 59th in '09, 50th in '10

TH: Kazarian placed 66th on my ballot. Most people who find themselves situated in the middle third of my ballot either were spectacular in small doses or they were solid in larger ones. Kazarian falls in the latter. He wasn't blowaway spectacular in really any match I saw him in (which I can't blame him for for the first part of 2011 when Impact's in-ring was dreadful for the most part thanks to booking), but I never got the sense that it was bad because of the things he was doing.

96. "The Centerfold" Matthew Palmer
Points: 253
Votes Received: 3
Highest Vote: 11th Place (Barry Savant)
2009 and 2010 Rankings: Not ranked both years

95. Natalya Neidhart
Points: 259
Votes Received: 5
Highest Vote: 32nd Place (Seth Zillmann)
2009 and 2010 Rankings: Not ranked in '09, 73rd in '10

94. Trent Barretta
Points: 260
Votes Received: 6
Highest Vote: 34th Place (Niall Harkiss)
2009 and 2010 Rankings: Not ranked in '09, 78th in '10

TH: Here's a guy I may have ranked higher if I had watched more NXT or didn't bail on Superstars midyear. The guy is crazy when it comes to the bumps he takes. Crazy. There is no one on the roster who will bump in a low card match to make a guy like Wade Barrett or even Heath Slater look like a world beater. I really hope WWE gets this cruiserweight show off the ground, because it's a place where Trentylocks can make a name for himself as a great all-around wrestler, since what I've seen from him on offense has been pretty good as well.

Dylan Hales: I am a fan of bump freaks, and Barretta is a bump freak. It does not take much to coax this guy into taking a superplex onto a pile of people who are barely paying attention or to leap over the top rope like he is topeing the invisible man. Unlike a lot of other guys, I don’t have a laundry list for Beretta, but he is a guy who works super hard every time out and never leaves you feeling like he didn’t give you 100 percent.

93. Shaun Tempers
Points: 261
Votes Received: 3
Highest Vote: 5th Place (Norko Kipte)
2009 and 2010 Rankings: Not ranked in both years

Dylan Hales: When I think quality indie wrestlers, Tempers is one of the first guys that comes to mind. He’s not a spot machine, but he’s got offensive spots that look impressive and nasty as well as a couple of standard bumps that are totally nutty. He’s the rare indie wrestler who makes a concentrated effort to work the crowd first and sees it as a key component of every match rather than an afterthought. He has nasty looking forearms, good ring movements, builds heat better than most heels in wrestling and can work to the strengths of his opponents. His match with Ace Rockwell was one of the best indie matches of the year and he had matches with guys like Kyle Matthews (another Southern indie wrestler well worth seeking out) and Steven Walters that are well worth seeking out. With the right opportunities Tempers could be capable of being a top ten type of guy.

Devon Hales:  I have been watching Tempers wrestle live since he was a teenager wrestling in small Southern indie promotions in East Tennessee. His character is entertaining and he has very good heel shtick. Last year was possibly his best year. His offense is great including his devastating neckbreaker finisher. He can sell and bump well, and he connects with the crowd brilliantly. Check him out on YouTube, particularly his match with Ace Rockwell.

92. Finlay
Points: 262
Votes Received: 4
Highest Vote: 4th Place (Dave Musgrave)
2009 and 2010 Rankings: 32nd in '09, not ranked in '10

TH: Finlay made the biggest waves in 2011 by his release from WWE as an agent after an incident at a house show. That could have been the best thing to happen to him from the standpoint of a fan who likes watching him wrestle. He had some classic matches in his spot appearances for PWG and EVOLVE, including a really fun, old-school style brawl with Kevin Steen in the former's Battle of Los Angeles Tournament. With his rematch against Sami Callihan happening and a pending feud with Jon Davis in the wings for EVOLVE, the Belfast Bruiser is showing very little signs of slowing down, even in his 50s.

Dylan Hales: I assume everyone who voted for Finlay knows about the match with Sami Calihan, saw it and thought it was awesome. It was one of a very small number of matches that could be legitimately called a match of the year. His match with Kevin Steen in PWG – though not as good – was another great bout that I thought Finlay held together while Steen tried to wander off into his “Who’s Line Is It Anyway?” routine. Lesser known are the quality matches with Timothy Thatcher and Harry Smith. Sure the Silva match was an abortion (not his fault at all), but Finlay remains one of the stiffest, most unique and most interesting wrestlers in the world.

Dave Musgrave: It was so refreshing to see Finlay go on his indie dream match tour in 2011. His match with Sami Callihan was my # 2 match of the year, and I really enjoyed seeing his match with Harry Smith live. Add in his match with Kevin Steen and tons of stuff I haven’t even gotten to see and it was a great year to be watching Finlay.

91. Gunner
Points: 264
Votes Received: 5
Highest Vote: 23rd Place (Niall Harkiss)
2009 and 2010 Rankings: Not ranked both years

90. PAC
Points: 265
Votes Received: 5
Highest Vote: 22nd Place (Vince Morales)
2009 and 2010 Rankings: Not ranked both years

TH: I only saw one PAC match in 2011, but it was enough of an impression for me to put him on my ballot, albeit at 91st place (Which is better than being unranked, mind you, where most of the thousands and thousands of American wrestlers reside). It was with Brodie Lee at Dragon Gate's Philadelphia show in November, which featured a lot of cool spots from both guys. PAC is someone who is known mostly for flashy offense and flips (neither of which are bad, regardless of what the technical wrestling n00bs will tell you), and he does them so well that it's hard not to be impressed by watching him.

89. Brodie Lee
Points: 275
Votes Received: 5
Highest Vote: 9th Place (Dylan Hales)
2009 and 2010 Rankings: Not ranked in both years

TH: Brodie Lee is a name that is going to be higher next year just because he got signed by WWE and will have had a bunch of awesome matches with the developmental guys that hit YouTube like a ton of bricks. That's a shame, because he was right there for fans of Chikara, DGUSA and EVOLVE to see having great indie style matches that featured great psychology and some awesome big man moves as well as some surprising high-flying stuff. I mentioned the PAC match in PAC's entry, but Lee, a guy who looks like he could hoss it up with Mark Henry as he is right now, threw a hurricanrana that I marked out for right in my seat. That, my friends, is impressive.

Dylan Hales: Brodie Lee was someone that would have made my list no matter what, but probably would have been MUCH farther down than I voted him. I’ve always thought he was a good bumping big man who worked stiff and looked credible against a variety of indie guys. I had him penciled in somewhere in the 35-50 range, but a funny thing happened on the way to submitting my ballot. I typed his name into YouTube. What I found out was that Brodie Lee spent a big chunk of his year having really awesome matches with the most unlikely cast of characters for a bunch of indies that you’ve probably never heard of (but probably should). It’s one thing to have a really good match with Sami Callihan. It’s totally different to carry a half-trained guy that works like a cross between Alex Porteau and Lance Storm to a borderline great match. And that was really just the tip of the iceberg as Brodie had some great performances against guys as diverse as Marc Krieger, Jordan Lennox, Tatanka (!) and motherfucking Danny Doring. That’s right in 2011 Brodie Lee had a very good match with Danny Doring. How the hell could I not put him in the top ten?

88. Kenny King
Points: 277
Votes Received: 5
Highest Vote: 26th Place (Kevin Friskey)
2009 and 2010 Rankings: Not ranked in '09, 91st in '10

TH: Kenny King is like Shelton Benjamin if Shelton Benjamin wasn't some guy who just jumped really high and actually had some grasp of psychology and pacing. Granted, working in ROH isn't going to feed into that mentality for much longer, but then again, King has done some good stuff in PWG as well. I really enjoyed his match with Chuck Taylor at All-Star Weekend.

Alex Torres: “Superman don’t bleed!” Kenny shouted this at Death Before Dishonor, the only man not to bleed during Ladder War, and perhaps it’s the most appropriate thing said about him ever. Kenny and Titus, ever since becoming more serious, have elevated their ring games, Kenny in particular being a magnetic presence. To think, first time I saw him, all I can remember is “You killed Kenny” chants, and this year, he and Titus won in the main event of an iPPV.

87. Ken Anderson
Points: 277
Votes Received: 5
Highest Vote: 18th Place (Rob Franklin, higher vote tiebreaker puts him ahead of King)
2009 and 2010 Rankings: Not ranked in '09, 55th in '10

86. Chris Sabin
Points: 281
Votes Received: 6
Highest Vote: 25th Place (Luke – Punk Rock Comedy)
2009 and 2010 Rankings: 65th in '09, 30th in '10

85. Rob Van Dam
Points: 284
Votes Received: 5
Highest Vote: 39th Place (Niall Harkiss)
2009 and 2010 Rankings: Not ranked in '09, 48th in '10

84. Shelton Benjamin
Points: 288
Votes Received: 5
Highest Vote: 14th Place (Brandon Infinger)
2009 and 2010 Rankings: 35th in '09, 89th in '10

83. David Otunga
Points: 289
Votes Received: 7
Highest Vote: 22nd Place (Dave Maes)
2009 and 2010 Rankings: Not ranked in both years

Dylan Hales: Otunga is going to be this year’s Del Rio, as he started improving toward the end of 2011 and has been really fun so far in 2012. Otunga snuck onto my list on the strength of two performances. The first was his bump fest v. Randy Orton on the holiday episode of Smackdown. The second was a house show performance I saw live in early December. Otunga was teaming with Michael McGullicutty v. Air Boom and the match absolutely stole the show. Otunga was great in the match bumping around, jawing with fans, throwing stiff shots, etc. He earned a mention, which is really what my 95-100 slots were for.

82. Kane
Points: 305
Votes Received: 5
Highest Vote: 17th Place (Dave Maes)
2009 and 2010 Rankings: 42nd in '09, 27th in '10

81. Willie Mack
Points: 305
Votes Received: 4
Highest Vote: 15th Place (Brandon Stroud, higher vote tiebreaker puts him above Kane)
2009 and 2010 Rankings: Not ranked in both years

TH: Willie Mack's ranking this year pisses me off. He should be in the top 25, just as I had put him at 21 on my ballot. He took PWG and made it his personal playground, having tremendous matches with everyone he took to the ring with. Whether it was in a multi-person tag match like at Kurt RussellReunion or in a singles feature match like against Chris Hero on more than one occasion, Mack brought the stiffness, the strikes and the intensity. I gave him the nickname Samoa Bro because the guy is almost a carbon copy of Joe, only not broken by being in TNA for the last seven years. He's a fast riser to most, but to me, he's already one of the best wrestlers in the country.

Dylan Hales: There are very few super indie workers who I have little critical to say of, but Willie Mack is one of them.  Despite the fact that he didn’t have as many chances for “huge” matches as some of the bigger names (Steen, Generico, et), in some respects he felt like the MVP of PWG showing more energy and dynamism than just about anyone in the promotion.  He was equally good in NWA Hollywood where I thought he was clearly the best worker in the promotion based on the smatterings I was able to see.  A charismatic performer who can go “workrate” or settle into more standard structurally significant matches, Mack really stands out of the pack as a guy who people should be – and eventually will be – raving about.

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Re: The 2011 A1W 100
« Reply #108 on: March 27, 2012, 01:44:18 PM »
it's very...interesting...to see who gave some fo these folks high votes.

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Re: The 2011 A1W 100
« Reply #109 on: March 27, 2012, 08:35:52 PM »
it's very...interesting...to see who gave some fo these folks high votes.

A couple there from me with guys who were high, but then I was only scoring guys I've watched. There was a ton of guys in ROH, DGUSA, Evolve etc I hadn't seen this past year, so I didn't bother including.

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Re: The 2011 A1W 100
« Reply #110 on: March 27, 2012, 08:39:42 PM »
A couple there from me with guys who were high, but then I was only scoring guys I've watched. There was a ton of guys in ROH, DGUSA, Evolve etc I hadn't seen this past year, so I didn't bother including.

Similar with me, I was going through WWE and TNA people before delving into the indies, which I've only seen a handful of episodes of.

Next year's will be more indie filled since I've been attending Resistance Pro regularly.

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Re: The 2011 A1W 100
« Reply #111 on: March 27, 2012, 10:42:05 PM »
it's very...interesting...to see who gave some fo these folks high votes.


Expand on this please.


My favorite part so far is people are apparently still pretending Anderson is good.

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Re: The 2011 A1W 100
« Reply #112 on: March 27, 2012, 10:43:00 PM »
My favorite part so far is people are apparently still pretending Anderson is good.

Yeah, every ballot I got with him on it made me cringe, then laugh, then cringe again.

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Re: The 2011 A1W 100
« Reply #113 on: March 27, 2012, 11:04:19 PM »

Expand on this please.


My favorite part so far is people are apparently still pretending Anderson is good.

i don't want to turn this into a troll fest* before we get to #1, but these were head scratchers to me:

[spoiler]

100. Mickie James Highest Vote: 37th Place

95. Natalya Neidhart Highest Vote: 32nd Place

before i go on, it's not to say these two are bad and don't deserve votes...but top 40 in north america?  it's a little surprising...but from here, let's get to the hu-wha? category.

91. Gunner Highest Vote: 23rd Place

87. Ken Anderson Highest Vote: 18th Place  :mad_mini:

85. Rob Van Dam Highest Vote: 39th Place

i honestly can't remember the last time i've seen any of these guys in a good match.  maybe i just missed it.  i admit i did not watch a ton of tna last year, but every time i saw any of these guys in the ring, it was eye-rolling turribleness of the nth degree.  i just can't fathom how they not only made the list, but got high first place votes...yes...39 for RVD is very high.  18 and 23 for anderson / gunner is just mind boggling.

anyway, there's some others, but nothing as bad as these.[/spoiler]

*i have no self-control

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Re: The 2011 A1W 100
« Reply #114 on: March 27, 2012, 11:06:56 PM »
Not everybody gave 100 entries. Some people gave 50 or even 25.

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Re: The 2011 A1W 100
« Reply #115 on: March 27, 2012, 11:09:48 PM »
Not everybody gave 100 entries. Some people gave 50 or even 25.

yeah, i gave 25.  again, it's not that i'm surprised they made the list.  i'm surprised by those "highest votes".

(and i hope people don't take me too seriously.  i'm really not trying to be a dick...probably should have added some more smileys)

 ;) :P :help_mini: :fr: :diablo_mini: :drink_mini:

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Re: The 2011 A1W 100
« Reply #116 on: March 27, 2012, 11:12:47 PM »
yeah, i gave 25.  again, it's not that i'm surprised they made the list.  i'm surprised by those "highest votes".

(and i hope people don't take me too seriously.  i'm really not trying to be a dick...probably should have added some more smileys)

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I had Kelly Kelly on my list. So that shows how far my viewing goes...

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Re: The 2011 A1W 100
« Reply #117 on: March 27, 2012, 11:15:05 PM »
I had Kelly Kelly on my list. So that shows how far my viewing goes...

yeah, i didn't watch a ton last year so i tried just vote for the wrestlers that stood out in my mind.  once i got to 25 i was done.

it was mentally exhausting let me tell you.  i really wish i was as smart as tom and kept a list of my favorite matches.  i suppose if i took it at all seriously, i would have.  probably why i gave HHH my top spot.

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Re: The 2011 A1W 100
« Reply #118 on: March 27, 2012, 11:46:03 PM »
I hope that HHH line was a gag.


I didn't vote for any of those guys, though I don't think Gunner is terrible.  Not sure he's a top 300 U.S./Canadian wrestler, but it's possible.


I should note that I did a top 100 and 46 of my guys didn't even make the overall ballot (I only know this because I asked Tom for a list of guys who I voted for that made it so I could blurb them), including my number 5, 13 and 17 ranked people

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Re: The 2011 A1W 100
« Reply #119 on: March 27, 2012, 11:51:29 PM »
yeah, i don't watch indies (too lazy) so i didn't recognize many of those guys.

why would i joke about hhh?  his match w/ ut was like the greatest WRESTLING match ever.

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Re: The 2011 A1W 100
« Reply #120 on: March 27, 2012, 11:56:54 PM »
All joking aside, I can't wait for the inevitable overrating of HHH in this fucking thing.

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Re: The 2011 A1W 100
« Reply #121 on: March 27, 2012, 11:58:22 PM »
yeah, i don't watch indies (too lazy) so i didn't recognize many of those guys.

why would i joke about hhh?  his match w/ ut was like the greatest WRESTLING match ever.

It should be cast in stone as a wrestling truth of life if Chus and I agree on something.

EDIT - Maybe not EVER, but legit one of the best of the year.

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Re: The 2011 A1W 100
« Reply #122 on: March 27, 2012, 11:58:52 PM »
While I had HHH in my top ten, I couldn't let him anywhere near the top 3 just purely because of how little he wrestled in 2011.

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Re: The 2011 A1W 100
« Reply #123 on: March 28, 2012, 12:12:17 AM »
i gave my opinion on hhh vs ut.  great entertainment; not a great wrestling match.  it was like a promo on steroids.

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Re: The 2011 A1W 100
« Reply #124 on: March 28, 2012, 01:11:06 AM »
While I had HHH in my top ten, I couldn't let him anywhere near the top 3 just purely because of how little he wrestled in 2011.


I thought he was solid at Mania and v. Punk for the most part.  Not great, but solid, particularly given the fact he's not (and never was) a guy with a lot of tools.  Nash match was what it was. 


I could see someone putting him in a top hundred though I don't buy it.  I mean I didn't rate Johnny Saint or Johnny Kidd, who had basically the same number of matches in the States, were working conquering hero legends out to soak in adulation gimmicks, and were brought in soley for special attraction status.  Point is the comparison is fair to HHH in the particulars and I didn't vote for them though both were considerably better in their big two matches than HHH was in his (I actually think that's virtually impossible to argue against even if you love Taker v. HHH but I digress). 


Now to be fair I should have ranked Kidd and Saint, but airballed on them.  I also airballed on Brodus Clay who was really good early last year.  Still the point is HHH as top hundred?  Eh, I'm not sure he'd make my top 150, but I can see it.  HHH as top ten?  I can't think of any metric (mechanics, volume of quality matches, consistency in performance, strength v. variety of opponents, extraordinary talent as bumper, seller, offensive delivery, et, appearance in multiple great matches, best guy in best match, best week-to-week tv match wreslter, et, et) where he would be near the top ten, let alone cumulatively