Author Topic: TNA World Title? (Read 3746 times)

FreebirdSTF · « **on:** February 25, 2011, 01:02:31 PM »

I know this is always one of the geekier discussions in the Wrestling forum, but do you consider the TNA Heavyweight Title to be a "legitimate world title?" I'm leaving this somewhat open-ended because I'm really curious as to what makes a "legitimate world title" in the eyes of A1 posters. I've heard discussion before about the original ECW title for example so when I read something about TNA's title, it got me to thinking about this again.

Chus-Kay · « **Reply #1 on:** February 25, 2011, 01:05:38 PM »

it's just under the ecw title in my eyes.

i laugh when guys say the tna heavyweight title is why they got into the wrestling business or whey they are in the wrestling business. anderson has been doing this a lot lately.

TH · « **Reply #2 on:** February 25, 2011, 01:09:36 PM »

I'd have a lot better time taking it seriously if it didn't look like something Jeff Hardy threw up during a soma binge.

Chus-Kay · « **Reply #3 on:** February 25, 2011, 01:12:13 PM »

Quote from: TH on February 25, 2011, 01:09:36 PM

I'd have a lot better time taking it seriously if it didn't look like something Jeff Hardy threw up during a soma binge.

i didn't even think of that. yeah, that belt is horrible. why didn't anderson change it when he won it? i cant believe they spent money on that...especially considering what they are rumored to pay some of the workers in the company.

Little Jimmy · « **Reply #4 on:** February 25, 2011, 01:32:28 PM »

If the company tours around the world, it's a world title... If a local indy fed were to advertise their title as a world title, I'd not take it serious. Since TNA does international business, I buy it being a world title......it's still worthless, but it's worthless worldwide at least.

I always thought that there would be some mileage on a heel losing a U.S. Title match in another country and then using the clause that it's the U.S. Title to get the decision reversed.. Same thing with the IC title, if it's defended on an island or something.

Zandrax · « **Reply #5 on:** February 25, 2011, 01:42:45 PM »

Since they've been doing international tours, I think it's fair to call it a world title in a kayfabed sense. Is it as prestigious as a WWE title in that sense? No, but it is a world title.

Of course, "TNA Champion" sounds like a title more suited to Pamela Anderson than Jeff Hardy, but that's beside the point.

Niall · « **Reply #6 on:** February 25, 2011, 02:41:28 PM »

In terms of contention, yes. It's a World title defended on Internationally televised shows, ppvs and live events, just like the WWE Title.

Stature wise, it sucks.

FreebirdSTF · « **Reply #7 on:** February 25, 2011, 05:02:17 PM »

Unfortunately, WWE can't take the high road as it relates to the look of the belt when they still have the former spinner.

KoppoKick · « **Reply #8 on:** February 25, 2011, 05:35:50 PM »

I think the TNA heavyweight title is absolutely a world title. I'd love to read an objective argument stating it's not.

Chus-Kay · « **Reply #9 on:** February 25, 2011, 05:50:57 PM »

Quote from: FreebirdSTF on February 25, 2011, 05:02:17 PM

Unfortunately, WWE can't take the high road as it relates to the look of the belt when they still have the former spinner.

the spinner is 100x better than the enigma

TH · « **Reply #10 on:** February 25, 2011, 06:00:59 PM »

Quote from: KoppoKick on February 25, 2011, 05:35:50 PM

I think the TNA heavyweight title is absolutely a world title. I'd love to read an objective argument stating it's not.

I'm not sure anyone is arguing that it isn't a World Title.

Linus · « **Reply #11 on:** February 26, 2011, 07:22:30 AM »

Quote from: KoppoKick on February 25, 2011, 05:35:50 PM

I'd love to read an objective argument stating it's not.

TNA sucks balls is why.

FreebirdSTF · « **Reply #12 on:** February 26, 2011, 08:39:05 AM »

Quote from: TH

I'm not sure anyone is arguing that it isn't a World Title.

What got me to thinking about this was an article on LoP. In the comments section someone said they viewed it more as a regional title.

Here's the actual quote by someone over there:

Quote from: LoP commenter

i feel its more regional, which theres nothing wrong with that. but after the NWA pulled out ive never considered it a "world" title.

Zandrax · « **Reply #13 on:** February 26, 2011, 08:44:16 AM »

Quote from: FreebirdSTF on February 26, 2011, 08:39:05 AM

What got me to thinking about this was an article on LoP. In the comments section someone said they viewed it more as a regional title.

Here's the actual quote by someone over there:

Funny considering a whole lot more people watch "TNA" than any "NWA" show.

Quality of the show aside, they have a show broadcast in multiple countries, do international tours, and have working agreements with international promotions. Wasn't the Jeff Hardy Crayola Title defended in Japan last month?

Webweaver · « **Reply #14 on:** February 26, 2011, 08:46:27 AM »

Why isn't the X-Division title, a world title?

FreebirdSTF · « **Reply #15 on:** February 26, 2011, 08:47:18 AM »

Quote from: Zandrax on February 26, 2011, 08:44:16 AM

Funny considering a whole lot more people watch "TNA" than any "NWA" show.

Quality of the show aside, they have a show broadcast in multiple countries, do international tours, and have working agreements with international promotions. Wasn't the Jeff Hardy Crayola Title defended in Japan last month?

I think it is a world title (albeit less important than the WWE or WHC ones). What is funny is that someone over there tried to say that TNA only held shows in Orlando which isn't even close to being true even though Impact hasn't traveled for most of its existence.

Is the WWE title considered the most prestigious by you guys? Or does it just depend on who is holding the WWE or WHC at any given time? To me, the WWE title always feels more important even though the WHC has the much classier design.

SupTool · « **Reply #16 on:** February 26, 2011, 09:09:30 AM »

Quote from: Webweaver on February 26, 2011, 08:46:27 AM

Why isn't the X-Division title, a world title?

It was at one point. I remember during the first AJ/Joe/Daniels match they referred to it as the X-Division Championship of the World.

Zandrax · « **Reply #17 on:** February 26, 2011, 09:12:51 AM »

Quote from: FreebirdSTF on February 26, 2011, 08:47:18 AM

I think it is a world title (albeit less important than the WWE or WHC ones). What is funny is that someone over there tried to say that TNA only held shows in Orlando which isn't even close to being true even though Impact hasn't traveled for most of its existence.

Is the WWE title considered the most prestigious by you guys? Or does it just depend on who is holding the WWE or WHC at any given time? To me, the WWE title always feels more important even though the WHC has the much classier design.

Once TNA started a regular house show schedule, any "Orlando" jokes or statements are pretty much null and void. I remember another person making similar TNA claims on another board and then boasting about the ROH title... completely ignoring that the vast majority of ROH TV was held in one arena.

As far as the WWE title I would think it is certainly the most prestigious in the States. But I could see an argument that one of the Japan titles might be more prestigious given how different wrestling is treated in Japan.

Zandrax · « **Reply #18 on:** February 26, 2011, 09:15:27 AM »

Quote from: SupTool on February 26, 2011, 09:09:30 AM

It was at one point. I remember during the first AJ/Joe/Daniels match they referred to it as the X-Division Championship of the World.

I think they may still call it that. But I look to it as similar to what the NWA TV Title was back in the day. Still called a "world" title, but it was clearly secondary to the US or NWA belt. Plus I don't think anybody buys a ticket or watches a TNA show for the X-Division Title.

TH · « **Reply #19 on:** February 26, 2011, 09:33:09 AM »

It's LoP, of course it's going to have people making idiotic points there. The argument that TNA isn't a world title is a semantic one but also a false one. A title doesn't have to be prestigious to be a real world title.

OneManX · « **Reply #20 on:** February 26, 2011, 11:45:41 AM »

It's important, but I dont think anyone in TNA makes it FEEL important, it seem like the World Title just takes backseats to all the major storylines and the title belt is just there. The last time I felt TNA cared about the belt in a storyline sense, might of been when Jarrett was holding it, because you can see that dethroning Jarrett was the most important thing in hat company. And that dethroning Jarrett would make you "the guy".

Chus-Kay · « **Reply #21 on:** February 26, 2011, 11:48:07 AM »

Quote from: OneManX on February 26, 2011, 11:45:41 AM

It's important, but I dont think anyone in TNA makes it FEEL important, it seem like the World Title just takes backseats to all the major storylines and the title belt is just there. The last time I felt TNA cared about the belt in a storyline sense, might of been when Jarrett was holding it, because you can see that dethroning Jarrett was the most important thing in hat company. And that dethroning Jarrett would make you "the guy".

you could say that about wwe for the most part. only the adr/edge feud seems like the title is important (if only because adr wants his first world title reign and talks about it). no one cares about the us, ic, or tag titles. and the miz/cena feud is more about the rock than the wwe title so far.

that's not an excuse for tna, but a comment on the state of today's wrestling.

TH · « **Reply #22 on:** February 26, 2011, 02:12:00 PM »

WWE at least runs storylines around the title. TNA, the big storyline is ZOMG LEGAL CONTROL! HULK HOGAN! DIXIE CARTER! ERIC BISCHOFF! KURT ANGLE HAS TO WALK HIS EX-WIFE DOWN THE AISLE FOR A VOW RENEWAL!!!!!!1111111111111111111111111

OneManX · « **Reply #23 on:** February 26, 2011, 02:35:35 PM »

Quote from: Chus-Kay on February 26, 2011, 11:48:07 AM

you could say that about wwe for the most part. only the adr/edge feud seems like the title is important (if only because adr wants his first world title reign and talks about it). no one cares about the us, ic, or tag titles. and the miz/cena feud is more about the rock than the wwe title so far.

that's not an excuse for tna, but a comment on the state of today's wrestling.

I agree, but like when the Miz won it, it was more about the Miz proving everyone wrong, and showing he's the real deal. I think the Cena/Miz feud might get more about the belt, but with the Rock stuff who knows.

Chus-Kay · « **Reply #24 on:** February 26, 2011, 05:11:39 PM »

Quote from: TH on February 26, 2011, 02:12:00 PM

WWE at least runs storylines around the title. TNA, the big storyline is ZOMG LEGAL CONTROL! HULK HOGAN! DIXIE CARTER! ERIC BISCHOFF! KURT ANGLE HAS TO WALK HIS EX-WIFE DOWN THE AISLE FOR A VOW RENEWAL!!!!!!1111111111111111111111111

to be fair, the only reason Anderson is "in this business" is to be the TNA champion.